Episode 121: A Body to Die For with Lori Brand

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Speaker: This is episode 121.

Speaker 4: Welcome to Wellness in Every Season, the podcast where we explore the rich tapestry of wellness in all of its forms. I'm your host Autumn Carter, a certified life coach turned wellness coach, as well as a certified parenting coach dedicated to empowering others to rediscover their identity in their current season of life.

My goal is to help you thrive both as an individual and as a parent.

Speaker: Today I have with me Lori Brand and she has quite a background. It's going to be a fun conversation. She has been a she's a writer and I love that she put she's a lifter. And She's weightlifter. She's done a ton of stuff. Tell us more about you. Okay. Background is amazing.

Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm just gonna say like why my main thing here The reason why I'm on today is that I recently wrote a thriller called bodies to die for so I'm the author of a thriller [00:01:00] but prior to writing that I have written articles for many fitness magazines. I've been a bodybuilder. I've been a stripper.

I've been a gymnast. I've been a dancer for a number of years. So I was really in that whole body space. And don't worry, I have a day job as, an engineer. But I've been very interested in the body space on, how we treat our bodies how, women judge ourselves, how we judge each other.

And I really wanted to focus on that. I just kept thinking about there was an incident that came up, and we can talk about it, we can dive into it shortly, but there was an incident that happened a few years ago that just really piqued my interest, and I just wanted to explore that war on women's bodies, right?

The wars we wage on each other, the wars we wage on ourselves, And I've been writing fitness articles for so long, but you're preaching to the choir. If people pick up a fitness magazine they already, they're already probably people who like to work out or lift [00:02:00] weights or whatever.

And I wanted a sneaky way to get in other people's heads to, I really wanted to explore this across all women. I dedicated my book to all women everywhere, to really delve into that getting strong. Is the answer, not shrinking, not trying to attain somebody else's beauty standards, and that we as women need to quit tearing each other down, tearing ourselves down, and lift each other up.

Speaker: It makes sense that you would write that book

Speaker 2: yeah.

Speaker: Coming out of nowhere

Speaker 2: yeah, I think so. The first time diet culture really popped on my radar.

I was 10 years old and my dance teacher who I've been going to since I was like three years old, she had her jaw wired shut because she wanted to lose weight and she had her jaw wired shut for a number of months. She didn't teach during that time her assistant taught, but I remember being just so stunned at that.

That, she intentionally did this to herself and and she was still there. She was like off in a corner, like taking notes while [00:03:00] while I had my dance Lessons. and it wasn't just that she did this. It was that all the other parents and adults and everything were cool with it. So how important was it to be thin?

It was important enough that a grown woman would wire her jaw shut and the world would shrug. And man, ever since then, it's been on my radar so I've been picking up things the whole time. I'm 55 now.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker 2: Yeah. So what, when was that? I was a fourth Grade. I'm 19. It would have been 1979.

Apparently back then. Wiring your jaw shut was a thing or occasionally a thing. People, if they wanted to lose weight, would have their jaw wired shut. I don't know if it was by a doctor or a dentist or whom, but have their jaw wired shut.

And at one point I had asked her if I could see the wires. And she hooked her finger in the side of her mouth and she pulled it back. And there were wires zigzagging up and down between her upper and bottom teeth and her jaw was wired shut. So she just had to sip on shakes for a few months.

I was gonna ask, what did she do? Yeah. [00:04:00] But that's why also she couldn't teach, her assistant had to teach because when she talked she had to talk like this because her jaw was wired shut. Yeah. And it was Ever since then, and then because I've been in these spaces I was, first I was a dancer, then I was a gymnast, right?

You have to be a certain, there's like optimal sizes to be a gymnast, and so that was certainly on my radar as a gymnast and then in a college I was a stripper eventually I got into bodybuilding, so it's just always been on my radar and, how women.

Judge themselves and judge each other, I just I wanted to plumb that and and I wrote it in a book

Speaker: and how have you viewed your body differently through all of those different phases?

Speaker 2: So I was always very conscious of It. ever since I was 10, I was conscious of it.

And I remember being insecure when I was like around, 15 years old. One summer I used to go to my friend's house all the [00:05:00] time. And this one particular friend, we used to lay outside and suntan this is how you have to think about how detrimental it is.

She wasn't doing this to us, right? Her mom had recently lost a bunch of weight and she posted this picture of herself on her fridge. She taped it on the fridge of her before, right? And she wrote fat, huh, on it, under the question mark, underneath it, right? And so every time that I went in that. I never had anything other than crystal light that whole summer.

Every time that we went in that kitchen, I had to open up that fridge. I never drank anything other than crystal light because I was in a bikini and I had to see that fat, huh? And it wasn't meant for me. It was meant for her mom, right? But it had an impact on me. And I'm not even living there. So imagine the kind of impact that has the way that you talk to yourself because that note was meant for her, right?

It wasn't meant for her daughter. It was meant for her. But the way that mothers talk to themselves or talk about each other, It impacts all of us, anybody who's listening, right? I was probably 15 years old and it impacted me that summer. I never ate a thing in that [00:06:00] house because I was too freaked out by it.

I had a couple friends that had some pretty serious eating disorders. One was hospitalized. This was just really on my radar. And then I went to college and I became a stripper part time and now you've monetized it, right? If you ever had any illusions as to what you looked like, the dollar will let you know.

And so I became very fixated. Like I knew my ideal window, my ideal weight, and it was a pretty small window, but I always kept that weight because it was my best weight. And then even when it was all said and done, and I was no longer doing that, and I was a stay at home mom living in the suburbs.

Even then, what really startled me was whenever you get women together, even now, we're no longer making money off our bodies, right? We're moms. What do women do? We, talk about how we're upset that we need to lose five pounds, 10 pounds, or we're disappointed in ourselves.

And it really stunned me even then that we were still doing that and that I got into bodybuilding and I was [00:07:00] Backstage at like these bikini competitions, and when you are backstage at a bodybuilding competition, people are in like the peak that they will ever be. They look they're as good as they're going to get, right?

And I'd be talking to some woman who'd say who was disappointed, like the package that she brought to the stage that's what you call it is your package. Who would look at herself in the mirror and see a lot of flaws. And it just really got me.

Thinking like how, no matter what if you don't fix yourself, it doesn't matter what kind of body you have, because you will always be wanting, if you're always trying to hit that external validation, whatever society tells you the look. And with bodybuilding too, it depends on the different judges that you get at that competition, If you, as long as you're always seeking that external validation, you will never really be confident.

And it was only, I swear to God, I was 40 years old before I finally realized this, which is way too long. And I had realized it because I had quit [00:08:00] exercising for about six or seven years. My kids were little, cause I was just too busy. I didn't gain any weight. I looked very much mostly the same, but I had lost some of my muscle mass I remember that as my body got weaker, I got mentally weaker.

Like I was suddenly being pushed around, I felt like some other moms were pushing me around. I felt like. My kids and my husband were pushing me I love my husband. But, I just felt like I was everybody's like everybody's bitch, right?

I was just getting pushed around and I took a hard look at myself in the mirror one day and I thought I miss my arms. I used to have good arms and, instead of wanting to look attractive, I wanted to look like vaguely threatening. I wanted to look like a force to be reckoned with.

And so I started lifting weights because I almost wanted to punch somebody. And I wanted to feel like if I did, I could knock them on their butt. And it was through wanting to get strong. I started lifting then instead of for a look, I lifted because I wanted to get really strong and it was like a cage door [00:09:00] Opened.

within a few months, I no longer wanted to punch somebody. I felt really super positive and I was no longer worried about what I couldn't eat, so I shrank. I was worried about nourishing my body and supporting growth. And it was that enormous change in mindset that I was like, Oh my God, I have to tap into this.

And that's why I started writing for fitness magazines.

Speaker: Oh, I'm fine with long answers. Less of me talking. It's fine. But I've noticed that people who are really into that in the groups that I'm in and everything else, that's what they've discovered, is that part.

And I think that's really what it's about is how do you feel inside of your body with your eyes closed and you're doing that scan. How do you feel? Yes. And I love feeling that strength within myself. I love that part of exercise. And I love releasing all of those pent up emotions because I am a mom of four young children.

I totally get that. I started to get teary eyed during part of why you were talking because there's my own work that I've been [00:10:00] doing and trying to undo because my aunts and my mom two different sides of the family, my paternal aunts and my mom are very much judgy about other people's body types and stuff like that, and they say it out loud.

So I grew up around that and hearing that and just trying to, I don't want to be that way. How do I remove that from myself? And I don't know if you've ever watched the remake of Jumanji. The first remake of Jumanji, not the second version.

There's this part that is so good. It's Jack Black speaking and Of course, like whoever the writer wrote it is amazing and I'm going to butcher it. But he is talking to a different character and he's saying, Do you think maybe you are so judgy because you're trying to hurry up and judge others before they judge you?

And the first time I heard that, I'm getting goosebumps all over again. I'm like, that's me. I get that. And I think that's where my family's [00:11:00] coming from. And they're toxic in general. So I try and stay away from them. But. I moved to the other side of the United States I'm very separate from them.

But anytime I'm around them, just feeling that all over again, and I don't want to be that way about myself, about other people. And I've really come to realize how much I can't be having that negative talk, self talk about my own body parts, because it shows up, the face that I make of myself in the mirror.

My children notice that. And. Even going there, then I'm having, it's easier to have it set out loud. And I don't want my children to see or hear that. Because they're miniature versions of me and my husband. Body wise. Personality wise, they're their own people for sure.

Speaker 2: It really does color.

And, and this is where I think I got really lucky is that My mom and dad were not like that and I think that's one of the reasons why I noticed it so [00:12:00] much like elsewhere when I was out and I, think it's really important that you're, conscious of that with your kids because even though I was in all these different like hotbeds of like diet culture, I think there was a little hope.

part of me that was protected because I knew, I wasn't exposed to that at home, right? I could view this as like something weird out in the world, but like at home, right? It was like safe. But I remember whenever I went in that friend's house, I always, I was always very conscious of my body and my friend's house.

And just think how that must have been for her. She lived there,

Speaker: find her, reconnect, and then come back.

Speaker 2: We lost track of each other.

Speaker: Name.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Go by a middle name.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker 2: So in my books. My book is told from, there's two main points of view. One of them is Gemma, who is a bikini bodybuilder. And so she's got a really good body and she used to be overweight and she lost a bunch of weight and documented it on Instagram, right?

She had like her own transformation thing, right? So she got this [00:13:00] huge following. And then the other point of view is Ashley, who was an overweight software engineer. And so she has to deal with the way that the world treats her because she's overweight. But Gemma, who is this bodybuilder, who has this outwardly great appearance, She has inside of her what she calls fat Gemma and she's just terrified that fat Gemma is going to come out and ruin the whole thing.

And so like when you were talking about this internal thing, like how you see yourself, right? It almost doesn't matter. Like you could have the most perfect body ever, but if you can't fix your internal self, you'll always find those flaws. And it's so hard to fix that internal struggle.

So I channeled it into a

Speaker: I think about Michael Jackson, right? I grew up with him and all of that. He was never happy. And that's the internal work.

Speaker 2: Exactly. Because he's trying to hit, he's like thinking I want that nose or I want that chin and you're picking out these different pieces and putting it on himself.

But it's probably, it maybe doesn't, that nose might not look right on him or that chin might not look [00:14:00] right. But again, it's that external thing if you don't fix that inside and that's such a perfect example because that's, he was a good looking guy, right?

That's somebody who's good looking, wealthy, very loved, right? The world loved him. I remember at his heyday, man, he was loved. Even at his heyday, it was once he'd hit that heyday, where he was like, doing all that weird plastic surgery and stuff.

Speaker: Young enough to remember the plastic surgery part.

Speaker 2: Yeah,

Speaker: yeah, it's anyway. That is amazing because it's really brought To light for me just how much the inner work matters and you can make all these changes. I have a friend who had rhinoplasty, so had her nose changed. She was worried when she was pregnant that her baby would end up having her same nose before that she hated.

And really thinking about those things. We need to love these parts of ourselves because we're gonna see the miniature parts of them on our children. It's [00:15:00] so amazing the things that we hate about ourselves when they are on our children. We're, we think they're precious and adorable and it's such a different light.

Yeah, what if we there's I would have to find it and link it but Let me think of truth bomb mom. I forget her name Okay right now, but I followed her stuff when my oldest was a baby. She's super popular super out there and she had this one YouTube video that was Just amazing.

She gathered her neighbors and her friends, like five of them or so, and what are the things that you tell yourself that you would never tell anybody else that are just awful, like those negative beliefs, those negative things that you're, that are on a loop. Yeah. And they would say them, and then she's okay, we'll now say it to this person.

And the picture that she brought out was the picture of them as a child, and they instantly started crying. Yeah. We're telling our inner child those things. Yeah, It's just [00:16:00] heartbreaking. Yeah. And think about it with our children as well. It just, there's so much that we need to make sure that we are working on.

So that we're not projecting that. I pretty we're over there judging other people, we're projecting our own stuff.

Speaker 2: Yes. And that's one of the ways that social media, like what you're talking there is like a really good thing about social media, but then the social media can also have that ugly aspect sometimes people can be cruel to each other, on social media.

And it's a tough line to straddle, because you go there to learn to find things that inspire you, but then you stumble upon, other things that may not.

Speaker: May not.

Speaker 2: Oh, okay. But so you may stumble on other things that may not, support your your mental health. I can give you an example on, the actual spark, right? That led me to write this book, but it actually came from social media. In January of 2020, you might remember this, Jillian Michaels was interviewed on BuzzFeed News and she was asked what she thought of Lizzo as a body acceptance role model.

And she said [00:17:00] why are we celebrating her body? Why aren't we celebrating her music? Because it's not going to be awesome if she gets diabetes. And social media blew up, right? There were like people who were calling for Jillian's head, accusing her of fat shaming. There were other people saying no we have to quit normalizing obesity and things like that.

But if you looked at the comments, they were thousands of comments, and it was a lot of women really going at each other, saying like really mean things. And then a few months later Adele posted a picture of herself, a birthday picture of herself to Instagram. And in that picture, it was really clear that she had lost a lot of weight.

And all of a sudden the comments just blew up. There were people saying they were disappointed in her because they viewed her as a body acceptance role model. There were other people who were saying, it's really great that she lost weight and she's getting healthy. A woman ought to be able to post just a picture of herself to social media without the entire world critiquing her body.

And it was all this nastiness in the comments, these worrying sides that got me thinking like, what if this. body war that was [00:18:00] online moved offline. You're like, what might happen? And that's when the spark for my, book came about. It was originally called Body Wars when I was writing it, but it was renamed Bodies to Die For because my publisher thought that sentiment were thriller like, and I think that they made the right choice there,

Speaker: and it's True. we can think of it in different connotations. But thinking of the fact that when we are, over nurturing our bodies with the wrong things. Yes, it can lead to diabetes and everything else.

Speaker 2: And just even if you think about it, the type of things, and it's mostly all women that we're willing to put ourselves through.

I think anorexia is like the highest death rate of any mental illness, right? Exactly where I was going next. Yeah. people will take that or I know they're not doing it quite as much anymore. There's orthorexia,

Speaker: where you work out too much too and it's just the pendulum of everything and there's the trying to be in moderation, but we're so [00:19:00] out of touch with ourselves to know what do we actually need for our own nourishment?

Yes. Why are we needing that dopamine hit? Why are we needing these things? Yeah, what's really going on in here and in here.

Speaker 2: And to just the, length that women will go to, to and I know it's men too, but to because, of the, these pressures from society or these internal pressures like when people would get like bariatric surgery or I, I remember like the fen

Speaker: I tried to mute it in time. That's all right. Go ahead. It's okay.

Speaker 2: Do you remember fen You might be too young to remember fen It was like P H E N F E N, I can't remember, it was like in the 90s or so. It was this diet drug, and everybody loved it.

Everybody was going on it. And then, a couple years later or something, people started to have like heart attacks or they started to have I can't remember what it did something to their heart, right? And so the FDA yanked it off the market, right? No more Fen Phen. This is pre internet.

Speaker: They'd have knockoffs that would still do the same thing.

Speaker 2: Yes! But people I remember, people were [00:20:00] so pissed at the FDA for yanking it off the market and wondering where they could get any black market fen And here we know it's causing heart issues, right? But people were willing to roll those dice.

And then every now and then somebody on Reddit or something will throw some kind of question out there, like if you could give up one year of your life or 10 years of your life to lose 50 pounds, would you do it right?

And it never fails. There's a lot of people who would do it, So it's, again, like you said, we have to fix our insides so that we can, be happy with where we are externally and that's why I'm such a fan of strength training is because it doesn't just change your body, it changes your mind.

Speaker: So this, I love this topic. My degree is in applied health. I love learning it and I think it was for my own healing as well as just it's interesting. Every year there's a new study that comes out that it's actually this way and it's not, that's media portraying it that way when the studies are pretty consistent.

Big eye roll there for the [00:21:00] way media changes things. And what, a study that I found absolutely fascinating and then used it for my papers and everything in class is there are people who are skinny fats. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah. You put really poor muscle tone. And they just so they don't exercise or anything.

Speaker: The deep fat that's yeah. Between your organs and everything. Yeah. Yeah. That's the scary fat. The subcutaneous, the stuff that's right there on the surface, that's fine. That's like extra resources fat compared to what's deep in there.

And it really depends on where you're holding fat as to whether it's really, deadly. Yes. I was going to say catastrophic, but really hard on your body. And there's that way with anorexia as well and with orthorexia with the exercising too much. What's really interesting is there are people that are obese that are actually healthy when they get the body scans done and they do the testing.

I [00:22:00] don't even know if I remember what it's called. A DEXA scan? A DEXA scan. But no, the tests that where you're on the treadmill and they have everything hooked the VLMAX. Yes. Okay. Where they have everything hooked up to you to see your respiration, your heart rate, all of that.

They're actually healthier than other people who look fit. But maybe aren't actually. It's really that you can't judge a book by its cover. That's why you do extra testing and it really, at the end of the day, it's how are you feeling in your body. If you're doing your body scan, are you able to walk up and down the stairs okay?

Are you able to run if a bear is chasing you type of okay? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But think of it more in modern times, chase after that kid. Yeah. Going down the street. Really, You could be, if you're looking at bmi, which is outdated, it's easy, that's why we still use it, but it's really more than that.

Okay. But the fact is That you can't just look at the cover and be like, oh, you're unhealthy because of this or you're unhealthy because of [00:23:00] that. And honestly, somebody who is, because we fat shamed so much. And I really started understanding things in the 90s. I was born in 85.

And how much fat shaming was popular back then. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. So the fact that it even was in 76, you said?

Speaker 2: Yeah. I was born in 69 and she had her jaw wired shut when I was 10. So that would have been like 79.

Speaker: Yeah. I'm surprised because I thought it was like 90s stuff.

Speaker 2: So

Speaker: there's still a lot of fat shaming then too.

Yeah. And, now. And the fact is we can go around judging people. We don't know what's going on for them. We don't know if they have an autoimmune disease that keeps them that way. Or if they look fit. but they actually aren't exercising. Oh, I wish I had a body like that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, they

Speaker: could have chronic pain that you do not wish for.

So don't judge a book. Oh, my goodness. But they can be judged your book. Yeah. Or

Speaker 2: they could be recovering from an eating disorder, right? Yeah. Yeah, maybe [00:24:00] they're getting over being anorexic. And so they've gained some weight. And maybe that's like the healthiest thing for them right now.

Speaker: I've noticed for my own healing from growing up around that is I, the better I'm doing within myself, the more I'm focused on doing my own inner work. I'm not worrying about everybody else, how they're looking, what they're feeling like. Yes, I am a coach. So if I see somebody that's saying that they're struggling with something,

I would love to help you with that. Let's schedule a session and we can have a chat. But beyond that, I have my own stuff that I'm working on because I want to be the best version of myself for myself and then for my family. And I think that's really the biggest thing. And I feel like that's really what your book is about.

Speaker 2: Yeah. At the end of the day, it's like when you get all the way even though it's a thriller, right? So it's a thriller it culminates at the Olympia, which is the largest bodybuilding competition in the world, right? So it's got different fit girls that die from some like one I won't even say, but some, interesting ways that they're like [00:25:00] picked off.

But, at the very end, when you get to the end. Really that afterward, you really understand that getting strong is the answer. It really is. If you can let go of trying to pursue that external validation, if you can instead want to get strong, that is like the cage door opening. It will change your life.

And then again that we as women need to quit ripping each other down. We need to quit tearing ourselves down and we need to work together to create a better tomorrow. We so often say society this, society that who is society, right? It's you. It's me. It's our immediate, we can't control the people in California, but I can control the people in my immediate sphere.

And how they hear me talk, how I talk to, my kids, how I talk to myself all of that. We have to start, you have to start with you and I think it's really important.

Speaker: So that's why she's in California. She's an East Coaster or Midwesterner. I'm Midwestern and you're in Maryland. She's

Speaker 2: yeah, Midwest. That's why I [00:26:00] chose California. Because neither one of us are there, right? And it's a really big

Speaker: state.

Speaker 2: Yeah. But what you said earlier, though, about how, you might be healthier if you could outrun a bear or whatever, but I think which obviously we don't really have to do that now, but there is something to be said for being able to No, I think it's empowering.

Like I like to always feel like I could, if I had to run a mile hard, I could, if I had to do a pull up and I love but if I had to pull myself up over a ledge, I could, if I had to push something heavy away, I could, and I think. Again, going back to that strength training, there's something really empowering about it.

Knowing that, if I needed to, I could run, I could turn and fight if I needed to. I can carry my groceries. I don't have to go get help it's just empowering to know that you are, you're fit, you're capable, you can get a lot of stuff Done.

Speaker: I saw, I could not even link it to you. It was on Instagram. She's a weightlifter. [00:27:00] And how many gallons is that? The water jug? You know the big one? Oh, like a gallon? Like, a milk jug. A milk jug is like a gallon, no

Speaker 2: Like a water cooler. A water cooler? Yeah. Maybe five gallons. It's heavy a big one.

Speaker: I remember in the day, I am like trying to put it on the water cooler. Sorry, microphone. Yeah. But she one hand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's empowering. What if you can do that? Yeah.

What if you are that well sharpened, oiled, cleaned, not utility knife, but a Swiss Army knife with all the different little pieces. Can you tell I don't know anything really about knives besides that one looks cool and it's sharp? Yeah. But anyway, my husband's gonna laugh and correct me later.

You can be that. You can be that utility knife, which is exactly what she's talking about, and I think there is so much power in that. And yes, we can go over medically why this is good. It keeps your bone density longer, so many other things, but really at the end of the day is Feeling good within yourself.

Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah. [00:28:00] And I usually exercise in the morning first thing and I find it really sets me up for a good day. It just, it gets your heart pumping. You change over that blood. You like work out some toxins that are like not serving you. And it just sets you up.

It just, it makes you feel really good. It might, I know not everybody likes to exercise, but I think if you start doing it and if you stick with it for three or four months, I think you'll notice. It's probably even earlier than that, but changing your mental outlook you really will.

I'm a big fan of that. I know so many people who do that instead of

Speaker: taking meds for their mental health because it actually works better than that. Yes. Some people need both. So I'm not saying that this is a one size fits all, and I like doing it in the morning. 'cause if I do it too late at night, then I'm in bed awake.

Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. If I do it in the evening, I can't fall asleep. Also, the other thing is that the day tends to get away from me. Yes. I have a, I think I mentioned I have a day job, right? I go to the office three days a week. I work as an engineer.

We have a gym at my [00:29:00] work, and sometimes I used, I hardly ever do this anymore, but every now and then I would think I'm going to do it on my lunch hour and it never fails, man. Something comes up, somebody needs something. So I've just quit doing that. I just do it in the morning. I just get it done because I just can't count on it.

Speaker: There's a, I did something hard already this morning and can take on the rest of the day. Yeah. I love that. I did too. Okay. Again, the name of your book and how we can follow you.

Speaker 2: Okay. So it's bodies to die for. Even better. It was seeing the way it

Speaker: looks.

Speaker 2: Yeah. And you can buy it anywhere, like in any bookstore, like Barnes and Noble. You can buy it from Target. You can buy it online from Amazon. It's available in hardcover, softcover, electronically. There's an audio version and the narrators are really, quite good at the audio version.

And then you can find me on Instagram at loribrandwritesandlifts and my website is just loribrandwrites. So that's how you can get a hold of me.

Speaker: Like writing.

Speaker 2: Yeah, writes.

Speaker: Have everything linked in the [00:30:00] description so you don't have to try and write this down or find notes in your phone or anything else.

 Thank you so much for being on. Thank you for having me.

Autumn Carter: Thanks for tuning in to this week's episode. I am your host Autumn Carter, a certified life coach dedicated to empowering individuals to rediscover their identity, find balance, miss chaos, strengthen relationships, and pursue their dreams. My goal is to help people thrive in every aspect of their lives.

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