Affordable Fertility Help

today we are talking about affordable fertility.

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In a world where fertility is crazy expensive, it can take a very long time. I'm so excited for this episode because I immediately have several people in mind that I'll be sharing this episode with. Today we have with us Kirsten Karchmer, and

Her company is Conceivables, she was just sharing her story, about how she had so much success and that she was able to close her clinics and offer on-demand help at a fraction of the price. So first of all, thank you for being here, and then let's share that part just at the front end for people who are like, "Ugh, fertility is so expensive.

I don't think I wanna go down this journey." Share with us this story and, how you came to provide affordable fertility help to others.

Well, the idea of, like, dealing with your fertility is a real pain in the butt, and it's really scary because you have this gas and brake in you, and it's like your biology is screaming to you, and your heart is screaming like, "Have a child.

Make a family. Have a baby," you know? And then but it's not working, and that is crazy-making for most people because they're like, "I'm doing everything and nothing's working. I feel so powerless," and I hate that for women. And one in five women are going through that. One in five of us, you know? And to your point, not only is it hella expensive, the research shows that only 3% of couples can afford fertility treatment.

3%. 80 million in the US alone. And I always felt, as an acupuncturist, I was one of the first fertility acupuncturists in North America. I treated over 10,000 infertile women, mostly with combinations of infertility, PCOS, endometriosis, and recurrent pregnancy loss, like that sort of pattern, of course.

And what I realized was that we are doing it all wrong.

The industry has invested, like, 10 billion, with a B, dollars in trackers and monitors. All of you listening, if you're trying to get or stay pregnant or balance your hormones, are using probably a tracker or a monitor. There just isn't a single study that shows that tracking improves anything That $10 billion and your investment is not going to change the outcome.

The only way we can change the outcome, and this is how we make fertility affordable, is by learning how to understand data as a diagnostic tool. ... I do a live show on TikTok almost every day, and people say, "Hey, Kirsten, how do I fix my low progesterone?" Like, that's not the reason you're not getting pregnant.

That's, a signal of some underlying issues of why you're not getting pregnant, right? It's not that you actually have a true progesterone deficiency. The mechanism that allows the release of progesterone isn't working. That's why supplemental progesterone doesn't really work.

5% increased likelihood of natural conception. So what we try to help women to understand is that whatever's going on with your hormones or your fertility, whether you're trying to just ovulate or get pregnant or stay pregnant, that you have a unique presentation of symptoms, habits, environmental factors, stressors, the kind of exercise, what you eat, how you digest.

All of those things make up your presentation, and we believe that women and people with periods deserve to be treated at that level, at the human level, not at the disease level and certainly not the symptom level. It just doesn't work. We have all the money in the world in the United States, and we just keep getting less and less healthy.

It's because we go to the doctor and we say, "I'm getting migraines," and the doctor says, Take this medicine, and it'll make them go away." And you're like, "Huzzah, my migraines went away." But the presentation of why you suddenly have migraines has not been investigated, and you're gonna be married to that medication for life.

As I always say, I don't want any lifers. Let's figure this out. Let's fix it, and you go on your merry way and help somebody else. So I'll stop there. That's, like, a long enough intro. Raise your hand if you're like, "Okay, wrap it up here."

I liked tracking because I learned when to change my diet because of really heavy periods, so eat more iron, more fiber,

Can I interrupt you for just a second?

Yeah.

But more iron when you have really heavy periods is not a good idea.

Because often you, when you have heavier periods, you have clotting And the clotting is actually often the source of the heavy period, and if you take iron, you actually make more clots and more heavy bleeding. You have to first get rid of the clotting, then you add the iron.

Wow. See, this is what I love about having a podcast is how much I learn from others.

It's so fun. Okay, that makes sense. But okay, having period supplies then.

Yeah,

yeah. I like tracking. And I learned that I was super clockwork with my period, which was really helpful to know. And then you talked about how we're given medicine, and great, it takes care of that problem, but does it also cause more problems?

Or hide a signal. Like, often, I would venture to say 75% of migraines in women are directly or indirectly related to how well her liver uses and eliminates hormones. It doesn't mean she has a liver disease. It means, like in Western medicine we're like, "Something has to be so bad it's a disease."

In Chinese medicine, something has to be not perfect to pay attention to. We're like, why not at least try to optimize to perfect? We might not get there, but at least we know... You know, I think they said, like, about goal setting, people will say like, "Oh, you know, make a goal that's achievable." I'm like, "Fuck that.

Make a goal that's 100 times more than what's achievable, and if this is what was achievable and this is your goal, if you even get to here..." You gotta play a way bigger game.

Okay, it makes sense that you went with acupuncture, Chinese medicine.

This is what led you here.

You talked about how you were diagnosed with MS. Did you also have your journey with infertility to lead you here, or what kind of led you to where you are now?

Shockingly, I had no trouble getting pregnant. I did have two miscarriages because I was really... I had no period blood.

Like, when I tell people what... I always say, like, we put too much emphasis on, like, capturing ovulation. Like, people think, like, "The only thing I need to do to get pregnant is figure out, buy a monitor, and get some Clear Blue Easy or get an Ada and figure out when I'm, ovulating and what my hormones are," which doesn't do anything, right?

The goal is to have a 28- to 32-day cycle, no matter what. That's the first goal, because otherwise timing of ovulation is disrupted. So either ovulation is coming too early, the egg hasn't had enough time to mature, or it's too late and now the e- the egg is starting to break down. Those folks in particular have a super high risk for miscarriage.

So we don't wanna just go in and it's like, "Where's ovulation? That's okay. I'm ovulating on cycle day 40. I'm gonna have sex right on cycle day 40." That is not a way to optimize your fertility. And, and so, for me, I even had a weird thing. Like, I got pregnant the first time, I was trying to fix my thyroid with Chinese medicine.

I've been on thyroid medicine since I was 18 years old. I had learned this protocol to improve thyroid function. You're supposed to do it four times, once a week for four weeks or six weeks or something. But after the first treatment, I couldn't take my medicine anymore,

If I took my thyroid medicine, I was getting acute hyperthyroidism, like palpitations, high blood pressure, red face, migraine, ringing in the ears, so I went down to 50%, quarter dose, still think. Then I just stopped taking it. And I was really lean when I was younger.

I was really athletic and, despite my MS, and I gained, three pounds in about two months, which was very unusual. And I was like, "I should probably check my TSH," because just stopped taking my medicine after 10 years. Like, what could happen there? Well, my TSH was 156.

Wow.

So just for those of you who don't know, the normal reference range for thyroid, TSH, is between one and four, and your doctor will try to convince you that if you're not below 2.5, you cannot get pregnant.

And mine was 156, which is why when people tell me, "My TSH is four," which is a normal range, "Should I be on thyroid medication?" I'm like, "No." Let's just improve gut a little bit, which will... where a lot of thyroid function happens. And we don't... You don't need to optimize. Look, if I can get pregnant with 156, and that kid is a genius.

He's, like, second in his class at law school. So the worry is if your thyroid is, elevated before you get pregnant, your child can have mental developmental delays, and I was really worried about that. But he was kind of over-indexed in the other way.

He just was like, "I'll prove everyone wrong."

Wow. I mean, I used to say about this child, he was such a unusual and quirky child. I was like, "This kid's either gonna be homeless or win the Nobel Prize." Like, he's either going one way or the other. If he can harness this, he's gonna be really powerful. It might make him crazy.

There are so many people who are so intelligent, and they're sometimes so intelligent that they're almost dumb. Like in life skills- and everything else, and they can't really seem to connect with like this is how to function well in the society,

and I mean, we see people all over the spectrum, so it makes sense that you were, "Okay, let me show you how to actually function in this world and succeed. Even being your own crayon color, like here's how- you still have the path."

when he went off to college, he's always marched to his own beat. He's got black, curly, hair, beautiful hair, and, he buzzed it all off, and he dyed it pink. And I was like, college is like a fresh start.

Like, are you sure you wanna go your first day to college with, pink hair?" I was like, "People are gonna judge you." And he's like, "I can't believe you care about that. Mom, I'm really disappointed in you." He's like, "That surprised me. You've always marched to your own drum and trusted that that was okay.

I'm surprised that you don't trust mine is."

I am.

I know. I was like, "Okay, another point for the kid."

Yep. It's funny when they just hit you with that stuff, and you're like, okay."

You're like, "You win." "

So can you tell us a little bit about what your protocol is, how you're different? You can share screen if you need to.

Really open up your world so that people really know what they're diving into and what they're getting out of this.

So if you think about any tracker or monitor that you're using, remember, there's no data. A monitor like Inaro or Mira may help you to get pregnant, but there isn't a single study that shows that it increases live birth rates.

What that means to me is that using trackers to capture poorly timed ovulation only increases your risk for miscarriage, right? Because you're putting yourself in a position where you have either a very young or a very overmature egg, and I would prefer to, fix that.

So what happens is, think about that, but instead you have an AI version of me, Kirsten AI, and so you answer some questions, and her job is to figure out the most important underlying issues that are currently impacting your likelihood of getting and staying pregnant.

After you do that, you ... These are just, you just touch buttons for now. After you do that, Kai comes in, and she gives you a score. That score is called your Conceivable score. It's a patented tool that predicts the likelihood of natural conception. So in the women using our app in the pilot, over four months they increased the likelihood of natural conception, and I'm not lying, between 150 and 260% in four months.

And how many people were in this?

105 were coming to see me in the clinic.

Good numbers right there ...

and the app was 6% more effective than me

And you talked about how it's a small percentage, but the cost percentage is what really ..

Yeah, that's the important thing because, you know, when I read that study that only 3% of couples could afford fertility treatments, I honestly cried because it's expensive to go to acupuncture.

And I knew that even if, like, we discounted, we had, like, charity programs, we had all that, it's still too expensive for really for most people. Like, I couldn't go to acupuncture twice a week and get herbs. Like, it's be like, $1500, $1600 if you're seeing somebody who's really good.

So- Well, and there's the time cost

yes, and so- That wasn't in the

study, but that's a hard thing too.

Yeah, getting there, sitting in traffic, missing work. Yeah, exactly. And, and some people don't like needles, so then it's a little bit of a trauma for them, and, so when I saw the data, I was like, "Oh my gosh, we can actually do this."

We can change the lives of every woman on this planet for almost nothing. In fact, my goal is for Conceivable for, to win the Nobel Prize in medicine for proving that we can completely transform, we can put all of the power into the hands of women to transform their own health for almost free. We can't make it free because, one, it, because it uses AI, we have to pay for tokens.

So every time you talk to her, it costs me. So Apple takes 30%, so the app is $15 a month. Apple directly takes $5. And then we use the rest of those $10, some for tokens. We make a little bit of profit out to each one. So the goal is really banking on that women are going to be really engaged and share the app a lot so that we don't have to do any marketing and advertising, which allows us to deliver it.

The more that we get our community involved in helping us, the lower that we can keep the prices.

And at every junction, like even we have a wearable. That wearable is like the Oura Ring, better, half the price, and also noninvasively measures glucose. Because blood sugar is really important in hormone regulation.

And we interviewed 16,000 women last year, and only about 15% knew their blood sugar status. Like, in general, is your blood sugar high, low, or normal? No idea. And because of that-

So tell me about this wearable for people who are interested.

Yeah, so it's called the Halo Ring. You can't quite get it yet, 'cause we're not gonna start selling it until The app is not out yet. It'll be out in just a couple of weeks. We're just doing internal final testing. And you will be able to, depending on when this, episode goes out, you will be able to sign up to be a beta tester.

Those beta testers will be considered founding members. You'll get discounts, and you'll get to give us feedback to say, "Hey, I liked this. Don't do this. This is horrible. We want more of this." And so that ring pairs with the app. Let me back up, and I'll come back to the ring. What happens is after you get your Conceivable score, then she highlights there's five categories: your energy, your blood, your hormones, your temperatures, and stress.

Those categories, subcategories determine your Conceivable score. And so then you see what's the subscore for each one of them, and you can click into it, and you can see, oh, your blood score is really low because you have one day of bleeding and it's full of clots. That means there's no lining to support implantation.

We need to work on this, and here's a few things that we're gonna work on. Your energy score is low 'cause it's a two out of 10, and you're doing CrossFit, and you only sleep four hours. So she starts to see, like, ah, I'm starting to see the picture a little more clearly now. I thought nothing was wrong, but there's a bunch of small things that are actually correlated with infertility and miscarriage, that if we start looking at them as a system and start working on those categories, that score starts to go up, and you only have to get the score above 65 to get pregnant.

That's what pushed people into the range. My hypothesis was that you would need to get to 80, but pretty consistently, once they get to 65-ish, they start getting pregnant. The average starting score in the pilot, 250 women, was, 33, so we're about halfway there. A lot of things improve really quickly, though,

So then we give you a virtual AI care team. Like, what I wish that I had: a chef, nutritionist, therapist, data analyst, and supplement formulator, and more to come. Your care team, stays with you for life, because ultimately Conceivable will be from age nine until 90 they stay with you for life.

So whatever's going on, Olive, that's your chef, she's looking at that data set of all your information. You're really tired. You have one day of bleeding. She's like, "What does this person need nutritionally?" Not just for fertility, because there isn't any food for fertility. There just isn't.

There are foods that improve the underlying issues once you know what they are. There are supplements that improve the underlying issues once you know what they are. Same thing. And so then it gets handed off to the supplement formulator, and then she looks at everything. She's like, "What are the nutrients, if in high enough quality at the right dose, are really gonna help this person to go faster?"

That's the job of supplements, to go faster. Because you're impatient. You're like, "I need to have a baby yesterday," "i'm really impatient." By the time they get to us, they've been trying for a while. They're freaking out. They're like, "I don't wanna take my time. Give me everything." And so then also they can pair it with the ring.

The ring is important because it, one, does your temperature for you accurately. We tested Oura and thought we would just partner with Oura. I just couldn't get an accurate temperature read. And because we pioneered a way to understand basal body temperatures in a completely different way than you have, than every other person has.

So we need accurate temperatures because the AI is recommending things, supplements, food, and things like that based on the temperature presentation, especially, what the graph looks like. And, so the ring is able to measure a whole bunch of things, but most importantly your sleep quality, because sleep is highly correlated.

Not enough or poor quality sleep is highly correlated with lower fertility. It also measures your HRV. HRV is my secret weapon because that's not heart rate. It's actually heart rate variability, and we could take a whole hour to talk about this, but it's really the best measure of your resilience to stress.

So when that number is nice and high, you... like, my dog was very sick. She threw up all over the house, in my bed, all over the couch, like 30 times two days ago. It was... And I thought she was gonna die, and she is my beloved animal, and it was just so scary. And it was on Sunday too, and I'm like, "We are not going to the emergency vet.

You can make it." Like, I'm giving her Chinese herbs and everything. It was very stressful, but the higher your resilience is, the less that you're, you get pulled into flight or fight. You're like, "Whoa, this is really stressful," but you're not crying. Your nervous system is able to stay more stable. And if you do, like, you know, the dog has a seizure or something and it's really scary.

Okay, you get really scared. Your heart rate goes up. Once you realize the dog's okay, whatever, she's fine, she's running around now, you should re-regulate. But if that heart rate variability is very low, it can take days. When you're in that sympathetic state, you pump out a lot of adrenaline and cortisol, which is so inflammatory to every single cell, tissue, and organ in your body.

So we wanna be monitoring that heart rate variability. Because we're trained to just smile all the time, we're often not good at reporting our true symptoms. "How are you feeling? How stressed are you?" "I'm not that stressed. I'm pretty good," like, to just survive the day at the end of the day.

And you're like, "I'm fine. I mean, I cope at the end of the day, but I'm fine." When we look at their heart rate variability, we can see it's like 20. I like it to be closer to 180 and up. Then I say, "Listen, your heart rate variability tells me you're a lot more stressed. Can we talk about that?

Let's have a ... It's okay. Lay it all out." And then the emotional support coach, Seren, pops in and she starts helping her to get some strategies to down regulate and increase the heart rate variability, and then we monitor it with the ring. And then it gets handed off to the supplement formulator, and then they make daily individual packs for you.

The whole goal is, like, how do we make it easy? Like, when Seren is doing emotional support, you know, she's, she can text you little meditations to do. When Olive is making your menus, not yet, but you'll be able to soon, you'll see your weekly menu. You click on all the ... She'll see the whole weekly shopping list.

You click, click, and then you can either say, "Have this delivered by Amazon, Walmart, or Instacart to your house." How do we make this whole journey into, like, becoming our healthiest and most fertile self as easy as possible? That's our job, to hack it, hack the problems, hack the solutions, and make executing on it really

Like, you should be at the end of three months being like, "Oh my God, everything is completely different and it wasn't hard." That's really weird

So I had to write this down, 'cause I've been researching stress resilience and how- to overcome stress and stuff like that for my own coaching program, so-

Yeah

Wait, I need a pen, pencil, and paper, so wrote that down. So thanks for answering my question that I never was gonna ask you, 'cause I would not have even thought to for this, what we're talking about.

But my question is, I can see so many people relating to what you're talking about and saying, "Well, what about if I'm not on a fertility journey?"

Because this is still super helpful. So talk to us about that. Is this still... Would this still be helpful for the rest of the, the demographic? For women- Yes ... and then would it be helpful for men? Because one thing that I was talking to about a, with a former coaching client of mine, and we were talking about her health journey.

I was just doing a check-in, and I was reminding her that what she's doing now- will impact the rest of her life in such a positive way, and the things that she's doing now, she should be doing for the rest of her life for optimizing her health, especially going into perimenopause and menopause and beyond.

So ultimately there will be individual experiences for whatever you're going through, whether it's just like starting with actually pre-period so that we actually have the opportunity to get young early menstruators ready for their first period in a way that they're not afraid.

Like period positivity, body positivity, actually a lot of safety. Because I feel like some of the things I see at the mall or when I'm out, like 12-year-old little girls, I'm like, "Oh my God, they're gonna get trafficked. They are not careful enough." Do you know what I mean? Like, I see men talking to them,

The app that is launching in a couple of weeks, so around May 15th, will be targeted for fertility. But if you're like, "I can't wait. I just wanna..." If you can just put up with a little fertility talk, knowing that you're just working, the program on the back end is almost the same.

Because again, in Chinese medicine, we're never treating anything. We're never treating infertility. We're never treating miscarriage. We're never treating endometriosis. These things did not exist 3,000 years ago. They had no idea these conditions, but they did know that there were patterns, right? They called...

PCOS was like spleen qi deficiency with dampness, right? Endometriosis was like liver fire, you know, and blood stagnation, but they didn't have names for these things. And so What we're able to do, that's why we call Conceivable the first operating system for women's health, is that, like, wherever...

Ultimately, it'll take us about a year to finish all the experiences because pregnancy is a huge one. It's gonna take us a long time to finish that, maybe three months. But, what you'll be able to do is, like, if you go in and she's like, "Hey, what's going on?" And you're like, "I have PCOS," a new interface opens.

It's, similar, but the back end is... different colors, to indicate. And then the whole conversation's about PCOS. But then say you get diagnosed with endometriosis. They get married, and they start working on your endo and PCOS simultaneously.

But again, you think about that beautiful mind from the Beautiful Mind movie where it's an enormous whiteboard with, oh, so many little data points. That's what Conceivable is working with every single day for you. And the longer that you use her, the more she gets to know you. So what my dream is, that a little girl starts using it today, seven years old.

We get her ready for her first period, and then now 20 years later, she's talking to Kai. Like, I'm gonna be 90 years old at that point, so I might even be dead by then. But she's talking to Kai, and she says, "Okay, Kai. Listen, I just got married last month, and we wanna start trying in about six months. I haven't been really working on my period and health very much.

What do I need to do to start optimizing?" And then Kai's gonna be able to say, "Okay, doll. Listen, you got your period. We started at, like, nine, and then your first period came at 11, which is the perfect time to predict fertility. Like, that's the optimal time. You had a few rough months." Yeah, people who have the highest fertility have s- period onset at age 11, 11, 12.

We are seeing onset administration more and more frequently starting even at nine, which is why we are starting at seven. And so then we're saying, "Okay, then you had a few rough months when your period came, but we got that handled, and you had a really smooth sailing until you turned 19 when you had that really bad car accident.

Since then, You've been reporting more period pain and clotting. That's gonna affect your lining and implantation. Let's go ahead and start working on that. I'm gonna come up with a plan with the team. I'll let you know what to do." That's what I want. That's what I want for my daughter. That's what I want for me.

I go to so many doctors. I have MS, and I have this other, very rare genetic disease that, one in 500,000 people have. Nobody knows. Every doctor I go, "What's that?" And so it would be really nice for my GI doctor will say, "But I'm not a neurologist." And I was like, "Yeah, but my neurologic symptoms are coming from my gut."

And he's like, "I don't even know what you're talking about." They just don't understand. So how do we, allow for that level of care for all menstruators? And, people always say, like, "I'm not a menstruator. I'm a woman. I'm not a person with a period." And, I feel like it is incredibly important that we are, and especially today, that we are just so mindful of being inclusive of every single person.

I just don't, I can't even find a reason to not include anybody. Personally, I don't care what other people are doing. Live your best life. What I want more of is love in the world. I want to do anything that promotes more love and kindness and peace in the world. So anything that's anti that, I don't wanna have any part of it.

Yeah. One of my favorite sayings, just you do you.

If two people love each other, God, knock yourself out. People are lonely in the world. It's hard to find. I'm single, and it's hard to find somebody, and if you find somebody that you love and that makes your world a better place, man, more power to you.

If you wanna wear that outfit, that's not what I would wear, you do you, you know?

Mean, and- Yeah,

I say it to my kids several times a day. I'm like, "Cool. You do you. Just, yep." I don't need to spend time judging. I don't need to spend time trying to make everything the way that I think it should be in the world.

It's just, you know what? You do you, I'm gonna do me. It's kind of like Mel Robbins' left thumb theory. Just let people do the way they wanna do it's, I wanna spend energy on optimizing my own life, my own health. So much of what you're talking about is about really optimizing your life, and I love that it is AI-based, because we are in such a world where it's going that way.

And as you talked about, it can be so expensive to see specialists. It takes forever to see them. And then when you dive into what your symptoms are, maybe that wasn't even the journey you should've gone on. There's so many people that once they go through this journey and they get to the end, and they finally have figured out the root cause, they're like, "Man, I wasted so much time and so much money going to all these other places," that it can be very hard.

So that's what one thing that I do like about the AI world, where you can put all that in. The problem is being careful, and it's not general AI that you go to.

You talked about How many years was behind this? Let's start there.

Eight years and recordings of 10,000 consultations.

Yeah.

And the truth is, is like- ... pretty young, I'm

sure ...

don't put your information into GPT, right? Because they're sharing your data items. That's what I was getting to. we're a privacy first company.

I'm a real firebrand, so I'm like, "Hell no is anybody getting access to my girls' data." Like, there's no reason for it. I mean, you can anonymize data, and, and that can be used for research at some point, right? with, like academic institutions and things like that per- with pharma and things like that.

There's no place for sharing that. Unless it was for, like, a specific drug discovery that I thought was a good drug. We do need some drugs. Like, I'm glad that we have chemotherapeutic agents. I've never had... I did have skin cancer a bunch of times, but I've never, you know, had a real cancer.

But I would like to have that as an option. And so I never want to say, like, you know, no to drugs. But, I do want to be able to demonstrate that we can do at least two thirds of the work ourselves. And then that way, whatever we can't do together, then once you get to your doctor, a lot of the confusion...

people especially who are chronically ill or chronically unwell, they have a lot of symptoms, and those symptoms don't make sense to your doctor. They're not trained to look at a bunch of discrete weird things. Like, I get a eye twitch at 2:00 in the afternoon. You tell an acupuncturist, they know exactly what that means.

Oh, 2:00, 3:00 is liver time, and an eye is liver, and twitching is wind, which is caused by blood deficiency. You probably only have one day of bleeding. The person's like, "Oh my God, how did you know that?" And it's just like, it's from this, like, years of pattern training, and the more pieces of data, we're like, do, do, do.

Oh, that's this, and this. That makes perfect sense to me.

I love it. I love how you explained it. And yeah, exactly. You put all of the stuff you already have. Here are the boundaries within this. Here's exactly what it's looking for, and then you put AI into there. It's not ChatGPT. It's not Claude. It's not whatever the most popular one is right now.

This is very strategically thinking. It's only looking for these things, and it's looking for things that are connected, just like you were talking about with acupuncture world. So that totally makes sense to me. And I know so many people who it's one of those really you need to get on the AI train or you're gonna be left behind at this point.

It's true.

It's very cutting edge technology in so many ways, and people who don't understand AI just think it's whatever AI. No, it's very specific, and you have designed

it to do these specific things with a whole bunch of stuff running in the background. So I wanted to just take a minute to explain that a little bit more.

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Well, I do a live show,

almost every day on TikTok, and and I think that one group of people is really ignored, and that's the women who can't stay pregnant. They have almost no resources. You gotta have three losses. That's horrible. I had two miscarriages, so I know, right? You have to have three losses before they even start talking to you.

They won't do anything, even though the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology recommends investigating every loss. So you can tell your doctor that. If your doctor's like, "We don't do anything till three," I'm like, "Well, I guess you're not following the ACOG, guidelines then."

But, but y- when you just say it, you're like, "Well, why would you not follow the ACOG guidelines?" And they're like, "Well, we'll just see what happens." Like, yeah, but I'm suffering when I'm having that. And so if you're a person in that category, first of all, you're not alone, and your progesterone, like taking supplemental progesterone is not the thing that's going to work.

It has like a 5 to 7% increased likelihood of keeping you pregnant. It's because there isn't a true progesterone deficiency. This is my opinion. There's no clinical data to support this, but let me just tell you. I have worked with thousands, and thousands of miscarriage patients, and what I saw were three things have to work to stay pregnant.

They don't have to be perfect, but the closer they are, the more likely you are to stay pregnant. So we need good energy. So on a 1 to 10, without caffeine or exercise for two days, what's your energy level? So just ask yourself that. And even if you're not trying to get pregnant, that is one of the most important metrics that is so easy.

You have it every single day. You don't need a device. You don't need to pay anything. Like this week, what's my average energy been? And if it's not an eight, you need to start investigating.

Start looking at what's the amount and quality of sleep that I'm getting. Most people are like, "I can get by with six hours."

I'm like, "But your energy's a 4 out of 10." So getting by means you're just using caffeine or energy drinks or whatever. Getting by is not fertile. Getting by is not healthy, and it will not help you to live a healthier, happier, longer. And from the vanity point, it'll age you faster, right? It'll make you fatter because if you're not sleeping enough, that's where your hormones, ghrelin and leptin, which are...

They control satiety and appetite. They don't get regulated properly, so then the next day you want to eat donuts all day. This is what happens to me every time. Too much tea and coffee, and donuts, and junk food when I really don't even eat carbs. And so you want to really be paying attention to that.

Also, what you eat, the quality of food, right? And then can you digest it? Do you have gas, bloating, fatigue after meals, sugar cravings? Because maybe you have a chef. Maybe you're like loaded. You're Beyonce and you have a chef. And she goes to the app and the chef, says, "Here's what you're gonna eat today."

And you have a chef, and the chef goes to the farmers market, makes a perfect meal for you, and serves it to you, and gives you your supplements right there, and you eat it, and you're still tired after a month. You got a lot of gas, bloating, fatigue after a meal. That perfect meal can't be efficiently broken down and converted into resources to make energy, to make blood, and to make hormones, and that really hurts your fertility.

So even because then you're taking like our ultra cry health high-quality supplements, but if you can't absorb them or digest them, you're not gonna get the optimal benefit, and everything's gonna go slower. And so we do really wanna pay attention to that.

The next one is your temperatures. What we saw was that, again, ten thousand cases.

It was a requirement that you did your BBTs to be my patient. If would say like, "I don't wanna do my BBTs, it's too stressful," I would get out my prescription pad, and they would say, "What are you doing?" And I said, "I'm writing a prescription for an acupuncturist who doesn't care as much I do."

Because if I don't have your BBTs, I cannot, in good faith, really drive your treatment plan. I need to see those temperatures. I wanna see the temperatures from ovulation until three days of ovulation, get to the ninety-eights and stay there until the day before your period. If that is true, you have plenty of progesterone.

I will say ninety-three percent of you will have perfect progesterone. If it's below, super high risk for miscarriage and low progesterone. Fixing it is not adding supplemental progesterone. Fixing it is figuring out why the temperatures are so low. That's the real trick to fixing the progesterone And so we come back to energy, right?

If this person's energy is a four out of ten and their temperatures are low, okay, that's where we're gonna start. So we're like, "Well, we're not even gonna worry about the temperatures. Let's work on energy for one month, and let's see what happens to the temperatures." That's what you guys deserve. That is real medicine that is actually working on your whole body, your environment, what you eat, what you put on your body.

All of those pieces are either synchronous, and they're pre-creating a virtuous cycle or they're blocked, and they're stalling it, and then that's stalling the next part of the cycle. Energy production, blood production, hormone production, hormone regulation, blood regulation, temperature regulation, stress modulation.

And then that should just be a virtuous cycle that makes each one feeds the next one to make it work better as opposed to, like, getting to one and being like, "Well, we don't have enough energy. There's no blood. There's not resources for blood. There's not resources for hormones." Then there's not resources to regulate them.

Then you get PMS, cramping, clotting, hemorrhagic bleeding to stay pregnant, I like to see four days of bleeding, soaking a tampon or a pad about every four hours, not more, not less. Four or five days, no cramping, clotting, or spotting. That is the lining that in 25 years that people were most likely to stick to especially in IVF cycles.

These are the people that when they would have that, I was like, "Well, definitely if the embryo is fine, you're likely to stay pregnant."

So then we're talking a lot about women's health.

How much of this percentage is men's health, and do they need to be working on their stuff to help with fertility?

It's 50% right now Currently, we do not have a offering except for a supplement pack for men, ultra high quality, super targeted, supplements for morphology, motility, and count.

DNA fragmentation as well. For me, always in medicine men have come first, right? We do everything for the men first. We do the easy things for men. And, and women, we just get the short end of the stick. And for me I'll build every single experience, and then I'll build the men's one.

Not because I don't like men. I actually love men, and, I'm like the girl that men love to be friends with, but I read this book when I was building my clinics, and it said, The book is called Never Eat the Burned Toast Again. Do you know what that means to- Does that mean anything to you, eating the burned toast?

Yeah, it's giving people the good stuff and then leaving whatever is left for me.

Yes. And do you do that ever?

I'm a mom of four. Sorry, yes.

Me too. Often. Yes,

And I have those moments of like, "Wait. Hold on. Why am I doing this?"

Yeah.

I can... We could have a whole conversation about the history of the menstrual cycle and how that, like, convinced us that we were worthless, and that what we need to do to change that. But, I read that book, and I... i'm the baby of five, and my mom was very guilty of that. I would see her give us everything that was good, and take the worst, or if there wasn't any, or, you know, whatever.

And I thought everything that I do moving forward is going to be the anti-burned toast for women. Now, sometimes I screw it up because I take on too much, and, you know, things break but the intention is to build everything is juicy and good and useful and valuable and affordable for women for the first time.

For every person with a period to get, like, the best, and that's really inspiring, so that we don't have to eat the burned toast. But if you resonate with this, you can do an experiment. Any time you get around a man, say, "I heard about this book, Never Eat the Burned Toast. Does that mean anything to you?"

I went and asked a whole bunch of men, like 25 men when I read, was reading this book. And this was, like, 25 years ago, so, you know, a little bit different generationally. But every single man was like, "I don't know what you're talking about. I've never eaten the burned toast before." And I was like, yeah, they don't put up with it.

My best friend yesterday had, a bad mammogram, and I went with her to the doctor 'cause they're gonna do a biopsy. And, they wouldn't let me come back, and she, she was like... She goes, "I'm sitting in here in a gown with nine other women, all pooping their pants practically because we're so scared." And she was like, "They would never met...

make men do this sit half-naked with other women who are just waiting to find out that they have breast cancer." You know what I mean? I was like They would never do that to men. You know, she's like, she goes, "I feel like I'm about to, like, get gassed in a concentration camp or something." You know, like, we're just waiting, like, "Oh, God, how bad is it?"

You know, she's like, "There's no dignity here. These are the kind of things we need to work on." 'Cause they're all these subtle messages that you don't deserve better, that you don't deserve something different, you don't deserve more dignity. And certainly that's not a condemnation of, like, every person who works in the industry.

It's just this, how the system leaves women feeling that we need to really work on. And one way we can do that is to take up as much of it online, and give that, just be able to control the experience and then still make it affordable and effective.

I have not experienced... I experienced my first mammogram ever.

That was awful, and it left me thinking, "Wow, if men had to do this, the whole thing would've been different."

Can you imagine if they put men's testicles in that little squeezy thing to check for, like, testicular cancer?

No. Oh, and you have to stand in this awkward position while you're doing this.

And don't pass out, please, but don't you dare. And hold your breath, and yeah, the whole thing. I

experienced that- And it's so flat. It's... I have, like, double Ds, and I'm shocked at how flat they can get them. Like, oh my God,

oh, it was so triggering for me.

Thankfully, my husband was home that day, and I'm just like- Mm ... "Just hold me." And then, "Come snuggle me on the couch, and I need a weighted blanket." He was working from home. But I'm so grateful he was. It was awful. And I, that was just the mammogram. I haven't had, like, the whole biopsy and all of that.

Oh, my. I can only imagine how awful that would be.

Mm-hmm.

My phone is supposed to automatically be on silent. Oh, because I clicked on the other screen. So I was out of Zoom. So that absolutely makes sense, there's so much data there. A lot of the scientific things that we're told, like how much sleep we're supposed to get, is actually for, based off of a study of men, not women.

And I feel like it's also, and y- correct me please, because you work in this, but there's a lot more moving parts with women's health and fertility than there are with men.

100%. It's one of the reasons why I rarely recommend acupuncture for fertility anymore because there are so many moving pieces, and the honesty is it's not that acupuncture's not good or that, it can't be effective.

It's expensive, it's time-consuming, and the reality is why I think that Kai beat me was that what's more important in getting, than getting an acupuncture treatment is what you do every day. Every meal, every food that you eat is either moving you to more fertile...

You never stay the same. Everything is compounding every day. So every meal that you eat, and this should not freak you out or scare you, you just have a opportunity to like, even if you're going to McDonald's, get a side salad. It's not ideal. It's just, what you're just saying to yourself and, like, to the universe is like, "I'm moving in the right direction.

I don't have to be perfect." If you're out and you really wanna have a hamburger, add guacamole, right? Add some value in there. Add guacamole on the side, add, like, a little side salad, add some roasted broccoli. Little tiny things. Like, have a half a, if you wanna have a margarita, have a half a margarita.

Throw out half of your french fries. Little tiny things that are just saying, like, "I don't have to be perfect, but I do wanna be moving in a direction of better energy, better clarity." It's about getting free.

The job of Conceiveable is to liberate women from everything that is holding them back from having all the access to power in the world that they need, and the place we have to start is health.

But when we don't feel good, and as someone who's been chronically ill my whole life, it's like when I'm not feeling unwell, I can do the work of 1,000 men, right? But when I don't feel good, I'm pretty, burned out and slow, Luckily, I can catch up once I feel better, and now I use a lot of AI, which helps me to work even if I don't feel well.

And so we wanna be really looking at how can we keep looking for all of those things that keep us from having access to the life that we want.

Yeah. And the nice thing about an app is you get the notifications. You have the accountability partner of like, "Here you go. Here's the things that you need to do."

And we live in such a society, especially now, where we have too much information available to us.

And the wrong and inaccurate information.

Yeah.

All these people who are taking Ovasitol who are trying to get pregnant. Like, I'm like, "You know that's hurting your fertility?" Like, not only neutral, it actually hurts your fertility.

So we have to be really careful.

Okay.

So Conceivable is your business name. How else do we find you, especially for, you're on TikTok daily. How can we find you on TikTok? TikTok,

so I have two different channels. There'll be a bunch of channels for Conceivable because all the care team are gonna have their own TikToks.

So Olive will be talking about food for fertility, and Seren will be talking about how to cope with the stress and grief and anxiety associated with fertility, and so on and so on. But currently you can find me at, yourfertilityexpert or conceivable/fertility.

and it should have like 200,000 followers. A bunch of people are pirating my content, so if you see like yourfertilityexpert, there might be like a period in there. They try and sneak it. And then what they do is they reach out to people and try and sell them psychic readings. So just make sure that you're on my right channel.

As of tomorrow we have something cool that'll be on the tomorrow or the next day, It'll be up by the time you guys hear this. There'll be basically a thing on the website where it says Text Kai And you just hit the button. It'll open up Messenger, and it'll say, "Hi, Kai," and then you can just start talking to Kai.

And if you want her to help you make, a supplement pack, where the app is not ready, you can still, talk to Kai or do the quiz on the website and get personalized packs. And I really encourage everyone to do it because it has been a real labor of love for me. We used to have a full line of clinical grade supplements like, Metagenics, Thorne.

That's kind of the quality of our supplements because I need outcomes. I need what I do to work so that I can take our data, our success data to your insurance company and get your insurance to pay for this for you, so you can get supplements, you can get a ring, everything for free.

That's gonna take a year, so don't wait for that. But we need it to work. So people were saying, "Well, you know, with the super high quality supplements, it was... if I said I have six or seven things I want you to be taking, it would be six or $700," which is sort of antithetical to her whole goal of making everything affordable.

We finally found a manufacturer who kind of did a deal with us just to try and help us to do this. We only take a 10% margin on our supplements. And again, this is banking on that you're gonna see the difference. Taking supplements from the grocery store is like getting your protein from a Slim Jim from the dollar store.

You're like, "I'm getting 100 grams of protein. I mean, I eat, like, 11 of those Slim Jims from the dollar store. It only cost me $10." Or if suddenly I gave you a week's worth of Wagyu steak and Wagyu bone broth, what do you think would happen, right? Huge difference. No comparison. You'd be like...

You'd start waking up and be like, "Wow, I am feeling, like, awake. Like, my brain is working. I have energy. There's nutrients in my cells," and that's the difference. So all you have to do is just go to the website, conceivab.com. You can either text Kai to do it, and that'll be more conversational. Or if you take the quiz, it's more like,

you can do that today. And then she's gonna help you to say like, "Okay, I have three packs." Like, depending on your budget, like, "Here's the most important, here's the next important ones, and here's the most... Like, here's the jumbo pack." And then you can just choose. You can talk to Kai there and ask her questions.

You'd be like, "Oh, I don't like CoQ10 because it gives me palpitations." She'll swap it out for you, even the jumbo pack for eight supplements is $109. And we can customize a prenatal in there for you too. So if you're not taking a prenatal, or if you're taking a gross grocery store or a Target prenatal that is not gonna give you what you need, you can let Kai know, and she'll just build a prenatal based on not only, like, how to have a good prenatal but, like, what are the other things that in your prenatal should be there.

Nice. So it's more individualized.

It's ultra individualized. Like everything, 'cause that's why we're able- People are like, "How did you get those results?" I'm like, "Because we personalize every single thing." There is not one generic thing in there except for the introductions. Like, this is why energy is important.

This is why blood's important.

That makes a huge difference. I've gone to chiropractors' offices, which is alternative medicine.

Mm-hmm.

And they even have, some of them, not all of them, my favorite chiropractors' offices really see me as an individual and my needs, but some of them is very assembly line, and they're not really looking at the underlying stuff, and you're just going through their protocol no matter what, and that doesn't work.

Yeah.

I don't feel- And

you'll spend a fortune

Of time and money. And for me, I have four kids, so time is important to me,

and money, too, because you have four kids. You're gonna have to educate all those guys.

And when we go to traditional Western medicine, it's very much they're not really looking at you as an individual.

If you have a really good doctor, they can be, but they still have the medical experience that is not individualized. It's a big difference, so I like the idea of having an app that can really know my individual needs, and that's something that I've been on my path with my own health, is getting that together.

And now that I'm in the, closer to the perimo- menopause phase of life of, okay, now I wanna have i- individualized, versus, okay, I have a lot of needs here because I want to optimize my life. I want to live well, and I want to live a long time living well, and I want to have such a good example of living well that it shows up- Mm-hmm

within my family and then with the clients that I coach. So how do I do this? And I love that you are offering this for so many other people, and that it's- At a reasonable cost, and also with vitamins that actually do what they say they do. One of my other goals with my time and money is I would love to work on changing laws so that vitamins are treated the same as medicine, in that they're actually tested regularly, and what they say is in there is in there, and the efficacy is actually as effective as it says.

But that would be, like, decades worth of getting this to happen. So I like that you have done so much of the front-end work on that.

It's about sourcing. Omegas are really beneficial for most people, and, super anti-inflammatory. There's so many benefits, especially if it's well-formulated.

But if it's, like, a $30 omega, I guarantee you that has not been refrigerated, it's fish oil, right? So you have to think about where did they get it? If they're selling it to you for $30, their price has to be about $2 our old price for our omega was like $39, right?

So it's just not even the same. It needs to be refrigerated in the warehouse. Like our warehouse was in Florida, so if I had a shipment of omegas, even if it came from where the waters were really clean and pure like Chile, where some of the cleanest water's on the planet, that's where we source our from, if it doesn't go in a refrigerated warehouse and it sits there through the summer in Florida, it's rancid.

And now it has gone from something that should be anti-inflammatory to something that now causes inflammation. So you're paying 30 bucks thinking like this is gonna do it, when actually you're hurting your fertility because you're... it's pro-inflammatory.

Equipment? How's the equipment?

What's the quality of that? Does it contain lead?

Yeah, and the processing. Well, also because it's like, in some third world countries, you know, you can source like basically fish hot dog meat, and that's what they make really cheap omegas from highly polluted waters that nobody else wants the fish from because they're too polluted.

Some things like, like creatine, you don't need anything fancy. Buy that on Amazon, like the cheapest one you can get. I haven't seen any data to see any benefit. Melatonin, who cares? Get the one that's $2.50 off Amazon. Like you don't need it. Don't take melatonin if you're trying to get pregnant though, 'cause it can disrupt ovulation.

We only use it... It's a super antioxidant, so it is beneficial, but it can, disrupt ovulation. So you wanna look at all of those things.

And, on that same line, the main things that people are taking that they shouldn't take, that are likely to be hurting their fertility or health, ovastatil.

Unless you have diagnosed high testosterone, ovastatil will give you low testosterone because the job of the D-chiro in it is to lower your testosterone, which is why if you have PCOS and high testosterone, it seems like a miracle. That's only 2% of the population, but every creator on TikTok is like, "Ovastatil, 40 to one combination."

I'm like, "Let's just read the data." And they will argue with me. They're like, "You don't know what you're talking about." I'm like, "I don't know. Show me one study that shows that D-chiro inostol is beneficial for testosterone." None. Or egg quality. And, the other one is Geritol. It is not a baby in a bottle.

I have seen so many creators like, "Geritol, it's a baby in a bottle. You take one bottle of this and you'll definitely have a baby." I'm like First of all, as soon as you see something like that, swipe. That is not... Nothing is the baby in a bottle. That's just not even possible. I own a supplement company.

If there was a baby in a bottle, I'd be manufacturing it. Fertile has gotten some people pregnant because probably they were very anemic or very undernourished. It has a old people supplement, has a lot of iron in it, and, if you have normal iron or you're taking a high quality prenatal that has enough iron in it, you're overdosing on iron.

And we don't get rid of iron like we do, vitamin C. It's not water-soluble, so it's warehoused in our body, which is not useful for your health and fertility. Vitex is the other one. And people are always so surprised because everybody loves Vitex. Vitex is not considered safe in pregnancy. So if you take Vitex to try to get pregnant, it will make things look better, and then as soon as you get pregnant, you need to stop taking the Vitex, and then people almost immediately miscarry.

Because Vitex is like a Band-Aid. It makes things look really good. It helps, like, the progesterone starts to look better. The cycle looks a little bit regular. But what you'll see is as soon as you take people off Vitex, even if they're not pregnant already, the symptoms the next month pretty much go back to how they were, which tells us it had no therapeutic effect.

It's just a Band-Aid. And I don't want Band-Aids. Let's just... We can figure out what the problems are and fix it. It's not even that hard. Like, why would we not do it? Once you have the playbook, you just follow the playbook, and 15 minutes a day you'll start seeing improvement.

Well, it just goes back to so many things that you hit on are lifestyle changes that should be for the rest of your life, not just for fertility

Well, because you wanna, you know, you wanna... Those lifestyle changes hopefully, I always hope it takes people four months to get pregnant because in four months we've actually changed their habits.

And then they're pregnant, and then they wanna stay pregnant, and then they are, really motivated to do things to stay pregnant. And by the time they deliver their baby, they've been kind of taking care of their bodies in a new way. And now that is pretty ingrained, and now they have a new baby, and they're tired, and that's the time when you wanna fall off.

But then in the app what we're helping them is build the whole structure of support so that when you, either if you have your baby home or come home from the hospital, that we have a support system set up for you at home so that you can continue to care for yourself in a way that, helps you to be successful and not get secondary infertility.

And that's what I struggled with, head first and then secondary.

Yeah, because probably you got pregnant. Think of your fertility on a continuum, not fertile or infertile, but more or less fertile. Think of the Conceivable score. Maybe your Conceivable score was, like, 20 when you got pregnant the first time, and then you, like, squeaked it out, but then you made a human.

You made a human out of you. And people forget how resource-dependent that is. And then you got the human out, either by C-section or delivery, 24 hours pushing, you know, all of that good stuff.

I did, and then I had a vaginal tear, and I hemorrhaged for hours afterwards,

So then your Conceivable score- I had a lot

of health issues afterwards, so-

Yeah, your Conceivable, you're like-

I'm

still working on it now

your Conceivable score went from 20 to zero, right? Then we have to build that back up to restore your fertility.

Yeah. Which looking back now, it totally makes sense, but at the time that's not what I wanted. I planned to have two close together, a nice gap, two close together.

It's not what happened. There's one, nice gap, and then boom, boom, boom to get the rest of them out.

Like, once you got it fixed you're like, "I'm a baby-maker now."

The third one was a surprise. We always wanted four, but with the fertility issues and miscarriages, and she screamed instead of slept, we're like, "Maybe we'll be done."

And that same week that we were both like, "Yep, let's be done," he was like, "Nope, nope, you're not done. I'm coming." And it matches his personality today. And then we were always told by people who have kids, don't have odd numbers.

Mm.

So it's like, "Oh, maybe we'll have, finally have our four," and we did. Now we can be done, close that chapter, but there's still...

And what we've been talking about is the things that I was doing to make sure that I was healthy, especially while pregnant and nursing- I should continue doing those for myself. Because now my kids are dependent on me in a different way, right? But eventually they're not going to be, and I don't wanna wait until they're not going to be dependent on me to finally take care of myself.

Right. Because then things are chronic.

Well, plus if you don't take care of yourself, it's hard to be the kind of mother that you want to be. That's my experience. When I don't feel good, I don't make as good of choices, and when I'm not resourced, I don't make as good of choices.

We have an idea of who we wanna show up for our children as, but when we're exhausted, we don't feel good, we're stressed, we're undernourished, it's really hard because kids are annoying. They are. I love them so much, but they are hard and annoying, and delightful, and beautiful, and funny, but it's a, you know-

That's a mixed bag, for sure

No, I have been working for eight years building this algorithm. It is really flipping complicated. It was not even fractionally as hard as raising children.

And you know, honestly, when you are not doing well, you don't even like yourself- let alone showing up for other people. But you can be your own worst critic and just hate just being alone with yourself-

Yeah, totally

if you're not taking care of yourself in a really good way. What kind of example are we to our children if we're not showing ourselves that love?

Yeah, like, again, like they always say, you know, your kids don't listen to what you say, they watch what you do. And especially for moms, I talk to so many women who are like, You know, I'm like, "Tell me about your day," and they say, "Well, I get up at 4:00 in the morning to go exercise before my kids get up, and then I come home and make breakfast for my kids, and then I get my kids dressed, then I take them to school, then I go to work.

And then I work through lunch so that I can leave an hour early so I can pick my kid up, and then I go to the grocery store with the kids, and then that's hell. And then I make dinner, and then I do all the laundry, and then I get in bed at 9:00 and go to sleep." I'm like, "That's every day?" Do you really wanna model that for your kids?

Do you want your daughter to have your life? This is a hard conversation because we live in a society that everybody's looking at everybody else trying to have everything that everybody else has, and that's what drives this. The more that we can separate from that need to have stuff, to buy a bunch of stuff, especially when you have kids, you just wanna buy them everything, you know?

But it's not good for them. It isn't good for them. It's good for them to have responsibilities, and that's the first thing I always do when I'm coaching people is, like, "Okay, you have three kids, so we are gonna put everybody on a chore wheel, 'cause you should be the queen. You're the baby maker. You're the human maker.

That's your only job, and everybody else... You're like the CEO of the house. And that, the CEO doesn't do all the work. The CEO is, like the flight attendant." And that's the way to get around that. And also to get your parents involved if they live local, because often they will help. Not always. Anyhow, that's a long conversation.

Least build a village in general, because- Yeah ... it was shocking to me how much I was not told about pregnancy and postpartum period. And I didn't realize how much pain I would be in from being in labor for that long. Everything hurts, and then I'm supposed to nurse- It's like doing

CrossFit for 24 hours, you know?

Oh, I felt like I was run over, and backed up, run over again, and now you want me to care for this child? And I'm the only one who can do it because I decided to breastfeed. And I have to wake up every two hours when my body just really needs to sleep for, like, 10 hours to fully recover.

Yeah.

Yeah, so we definitely need to focus more on having a village, but we are told that we need to do it all, and in order to get it all done, we just need to run faster. It'll work out if we just run faster. And then we wonder why we're sick.

Yeah.

Well, for all of you who are listening, I'm sure you're ready to be done.

Please share this around. We know so many people who are struggling in silence around fertility, and maybe are talking about their fertility journey and doing IVF, but they maybe have to take a second mortgage out to even do it. It's expensive. It's time-consuming. It's super emotional.

And nobody wants to get pregnant with IVF.

They just wanna have sex, with their partner.

I

mean, sometimes we have to, right? But I'm glad that it's an option, but, you know, most people, that's not how they dream about starting their family. And the reality is, you know, I think a significant portion of you can get pregnant naturally no matter how bad it...

You know, so long as you're not 45 years old or, your AMH is .001 or, there's completely blocked tubes, I can't really do anything about that.

Yeah.

Well, I'm going to lobby- ...

completely out of your control. What'd you

We're going to lobby, at the state capital today for affordable healthcare.

Ooh, yes, please. Thank you so much for being on, and I look forward to talking to you again.

Me too. Thanks for having me.

Thank you so much for listening to this episode. I hope that you found the answers that you needed and you had some amazing aha moments. Please share this episode with others because it helps us align ourselves and then better align the world so that we can seek the healing that we really are looking for.

As part of the legal language, I am a certified life coach with a bachelor's in applied health. That is what I am leaning on for this. This is general advice, take it as such. See you in the next episode.