Episode 156: Rewiring Your Mindset

[00:00:00] Autumn Carter: This is episode 1 56.

[00:00:05] Welcome to Wellness In Every Season, the podcast where we explore the rich tapestry of wellness in all of its forms. I'm your host, autumn Carter, a certified life coach, turn wellness coach, as well as a certified parenting coach dedicated to empowering others to rediscover their identity in their current season of life.

[00:00:24] My goal is to help you thrive, both as an individual and as a parent.

[00:00:28] Today I have with me Christine Schickinger and she is a neuro positive coach. I met her on podcast-a-thon, where all these podcasts we're getting together to have their episode be sponsored by whoever they wanted to have money donated to, is really cool.

[00:00:48] We had a breakout room together and instantly took off. And I've been on her podcast and her turn to be on mine and she is just a dynamic person. I am so [00:01:00] excited for you guys to learn about her journey 'cause she has had quite a journey. Anybody who's made it on my podcast has had a journey.

[00:01:06] And it's so fun to explore and realize that we all have these journeys through life. When we're young, think that we're gonna have this linear progression and our career is gonna be very linear. And then once we get to this point in life, we realize, no, it's not. And that's what makes us dynamic and unique and so much fun to be around and to connect with other people.

[00:01:31] She's very into the brain, which is super fun. She's also very into animals, so if you're not into the brain, listen for the animal aspect and you'll be good to go. Christine, welcome. I'm so glad you're here. Start wherever you wanna start. Let's, go there.

[00:01:48] Christine Schickinger: Yes, as you said lives are not that straight line, aren't they? And mine seems like I started at some point and then I went in so many different directions. [00:02:00] And it took me quite a while to now put it all together.

[00:02:05] So this is really something that only happened like a year ago, and it took me a long time because I'm, I got pretty old. And this is where I discovered, and that's why I'm calling myself a neuro positive coach or a neuro positive guide because. I have created my own little coaching methodology, which is called neuro positive, and it really.

[00:02:34] Contains all the different aspects that I have come across on my journey. And so as you said, I'm really interested in neuroscience. So that's where the neuro comes from. I have a reputation of being a really positive person. I started my career in corporate. I have a colleague who still, after 10 years now, when she reads a post from me on Facebook or sees a [00:03:00] picture of me on Facebook, says, oh, you are the one that has this fantastic smile.

[00:03:06] So this is, why I thought those two. Elements, those two aspects really fit together. And yeah, so this is where I really have a collection of everything I've come across in my life on my journey. Yeah, where to start? As I said I, started in corporate. I, used to be an executive in corporate and it was great fun.

[00:03:36] I traveled the world. I spent a lot of time in airports and hotels and had a lot of fun with so many colleagues and I love to be with. People. I, really, I love this connection. I love to talk, and we had that conversation. I love having conversations and at a certain point I thought if at [00:04:00] any time I would get out of corporate, I would wanna become a coach and.

[00:04:06] Now, eight years ago I had the opportunity to leave corporate and yeah, I went on this journey of becoming a coach and I've already had horses at that time for 10 years. And my horse at that time, she really got me interested into everything that is beyond of what is visible. Because horses have this ability to introduce you to something that my rational mind.

[00:04:45] Would not have accepted if I hadn't had the opportunity to make experiences myself. At a certain stage, I went through an education to become a [00:05:00] in German it's called Hal Optica. 'cause obviously I'm, German and I'm in Germany and it's a profession. That is into homeopathy and neuropathy.

[00:05:12] So, everything, every complimentary medicine. And I went through some experiences where my brain said, Christine. Okay, let's agree. There are things going on that we cannot understand and so this is where my, spiritual journey also started and then I got a lot into coaching I'm always interested in things that are not.

[00:05:42] Common in things that are new, especially related to brain research and neuroscience, and also in things related to how can I really master my mind and not being dependent on the [00:06:00] reactivity of my brain? And so I came across two particular. Methods that I started practicing several years ago as well.

[00:06:12] Now it's, I think it's 10 years almost, and I actually can take away my background because then you can see it, so one of which is a visual creativity method. So I'm not an artist, definitely not. I cannot draw. I'm really bad, but all these. Drawings behind me. I created them based on a method, based on a technique that is called graphica.

[00:06:44] And what it does is that you have a topic and you bring it on paper with a specific algorithm. So following a structure, so first of all, I put shapes on paper, and we only use. The [00:07:00] very basic shapes, and then you start drawing. And while you're drawing, your brain is wandering and things appear on the paper that you would have not expected there.

[00:07:11] So if, I have a conversation with someone, a coaching conversation, my clients need to be aware of what they wanna say when they draw. They often are not aware of why they're drawing things in a certain way. But then when we take a step back and we look at the drawing, we see things appear on that page that they had not expected.

[00:07:37] And the even more brilliant thing about the graphic approaches that we then can change what's on paper. For example, if someone draws something on there and we, are talking about communication and relationship with someone else. So for example, I had someone having a bad relationship with their managers.

[00:07:58] And so we drew that [00:08:00] picture just by using two circles. One for herself, one for her manager, and we figured out that she was seeing herself really small and her manager really big, and they were pretty far. Apart from each other. And then we can talk about how do you feel when you're looking at that, picture?

[00:08:19] And it turned out that she did not really feel well. And then the great thing is with Graphica, we changed it so that she got closer, she got bigger they, now are two circles next to each other, same size. And this made her feel so much better. The interesting thing is that going forward the next day, the next week, her relationship changed.

[00:08:50] And I don't think it's voo, I think it's just because her perception of the relationship has changed that much. Her behavior will have changed [00:09:00] and, this is what can happen with, this type of of approach. And so I love things like that. I love things that work. I love things that are easy to do and that are really working really quickly.

[00:09:16] And I'm talking a lot here. Hold on.

[00:09:20] Autumn Carter: I just paused and talked Christine into. Me being her client for a second and us doing this together. So Christine, people who are listening, it'll be a lot easier if you're viewing. So head on over to YouTube if you get a chance. But for people who are listening, what supplies do we need to have?

[00:09:43] Christine Schickinger: You'll need a fine liner and some crayons.

[00:09:48] Autumn Carter: Anything else?

[00:09:50] Christine Schickinger: Paper.

[00:09:50] And that's it.

[00:09:51] Autumn Carter: Okay, so it was between two topics. One was in regards to summer and children, but I know that this is going live when it's no longer [00:10:00] summer, so I felt that would not resonate with you guys.

[00:10:03] So instead, I am choosing pickleball. Anybody who's been following me for a little bit knows that I am a beginner in pickleball. And for me, I think it has to go back to my childhood trauma. I've. Healed a lot of that, but as soon as my adrenaline hits during pickleball, I get shaky. And my body does not like having adrenaline because I had so much of it when I was little, that it's hard to stay focused in the game and be fully present and have that mindfulness where I can visualize the balls going here, and then it's gonna go here and.

[00:10:47] Keep geometry in my head and following the other player and just know where I want that ball to go when I'm hitting it. And it's very exhausting because it's so much in my head [00:11:00] instead of trusting my body, especially when the adrenaline kicks in. Okay. How's that? Do you need more details?

[00:11:05] Christine Schickinger: No, not more details.

[00:11:05] That's a pretty challenging topic, but we'll get there. So when you are having this experience of adrenaline in your body, what do you see in your imaginary eyes?

[00:11:20] Autumn Carter: It, really goes back to my worth. It's that childhood worth, that little kid voice coming back to me of, I'm not worth scoring this point, or I'm not gonna be good enough. It's really having that story and with me being a coach, it's me also beating myself up for even having those thoughts because I know better and I work with other people around that.

[00:11:47] So it can be this whole spiraling thought, and then I have to get back out of it. I'll miss the ball and then I'll be ready to go again.

[00:11:56] Christine Schickinger: Neuro Graphica we have different [00:12:00] predefined approaches. Then also the ability, to create new models based on the need, the model that we can use, the algorithm it's called, that we can use to work with. Your particular case is called unleashing boundaries. So getting, rid of inner conflicts. Because we don't have a lot of time together and we don't wanna keep your listeners for hours and hours, let's do one thing and let's make our paper smaller. So that's the only thing I'm doing here, so that we, can work very quickly. And you will hopefully notice that even if we're doing it on such a small scale and pretty quickly it will have great effects.

[00:12:57] So I do have a YouTube channel where [00:13:00] I explain the basics of Graphica. You can go there. You can watch that.

[00:13:05] Because what we will do now is we will. Almost have an eruption on paper because you have this situation where adrenaline is kicking in. It reminds you of your, childhood, and you have the other situation that you would like to have staying calm, being focused on the ball, being focused on the person playing with you.

[00:13:31] And there is this discrepancy between the two, isn't there?

[00:13:34] Autumn Carter: Yes.

[00:13:35] Christine Schickinger: What we do now is we more or less by thinking about this situation, we could take pen and paper for two minutes and write down every single keyword that comes up for this situation. But I think for you it's pretty top of mind already, so you're already aware of it.

[00:13:55] That's why we start right away and what we do now, and I'll do that. [00:14:00] Prior to you then doing it as well is I bring this frustration of that's the situation I experienced versus that's the situation I wanna have. I bring that frustration on the paper by scribbling a few lines there, so I'm like, this is really not something I wanna have.

[00:14:24] And you do the same. Just take your pen without thinking about it. Just scribble a few lines or one line with a few turns there, okay. And really let it all out. So really unload this frustration to the paper.

[00:14:42] Autumn Carter: I like coloring. I already feel ah, oh yeah. I don't do it nearly enough either.

[00:14:48] Christine Schickinger: And so what we have on paper now is this conflict.

[00:14:51] This inner conflict, and we want to soothe that conflict to get rid of it at [00:15:00] the end of the day. And what we do is we follow those lines. Like a little snake that's going around this line in a very irregular way. And as I said I have video on YouTube as well that explains how to draw these lines.

[00:15:19] You could also follow the line pretty straight if that's easier for you. The important thing is that if you come near a crossing, you do as if you want it to turn. And take the next line. Take the next road as if you were sitting on a bicycle or in a car. And when you get close to a crossing, you turn and you're doing that for every single crossing.

[00:15:55] You go towards the crossing and then just before you turn.

[00:15:55] Autumn Carter: And we'll have her video listed in the description, so don't worry. [00:16:00] 

[00:16:00] Christine Schickinger: That's great. And so I'm doing some of them right now so that you can see where I'm going what I'm going at. So when I have a crossing and I have, approached it from four different directions and made a turn. Then this little crossing in the middle has become like a solid place.

[00:16:23] I can fill it in with my color or my black pen here. Now you see that? So the crossing has disappeared and it's replaced by a shape that is really rounded everywhere. And this shape also looks a bit like a neuron, like a brain cell. That's where this neuro graphica comes from. The pattern that we create here is like neurons [00:17:00] that are connected to each other.

[00:17:01] And so I do that for every single crossing, making sure that all my lines are pretty smooth.

[00:17:10] And whenever the lines go outside of my little quadrant here, of my little squared, then I let them just go into the nirvana. And so I do that for every single line, every single crossing.

[00:17:30] At the moment, I'm just, revisiting those, lines that represent my outburst. And because I'm revisiting them and at the same time, I'm rounding all the. Crossings off all the edges off. All the corners off would be interesting for me to hear what that does to your emotions, to your feelings [00:18:00] towards that situation.

[00:18:01] Autumn Carter: Even just watching it is calming. Yeah. I am definitely gonna try this with my third child who has very emotional outbursts. It's part of the way he's wired. There's a lot more there than just what I said, but I feel like this would really help him, especially lately with it getting more towards the end of the school year, he's having more of the outbursts.

[00:18:21] Because at home, because he's having to hold it in all day long. Yeah.

[00:18:25] Christine Schickinger: Yeah, the great at the beginning this, real outburst on paper, we have so many people, so many students, that they actually destroy the paper because they have so much power and so much energy coming out. That's all good.

[00:18:40] Autumn Carter: Yeah. And then I went, oh, how do I do what you're doing? Oh, okay.

[00:18:44] Are watching instead. Yeah. So the nice thing is for those who are following along. If you're just experiencing this without doing it yourself let's take a moment to think. What would you want to work on? What would [00:19:00] be in your drawing? What words would be on paper for you? So for me, this is regards to pickleball.

[00:19:06] What would you choose for your first neuro graphica? What words do you have on there? What would you be drawing? Can you visualize it? Remember that this is a video that you can replay as many times as you want, or audio

[00:19:26] turning out really cool. It reminds me of art from the nineties.

[00:19:31] Christine Schickinger: Yeah. And, the interesting thing is when you now have seen a graphica and you look for it also online, it has a very distinct pattern because it's not intuitive drawing. We have a, we have we call them algorithms. So it's a structure, it's a step-by-step process that we follow and. This also means that everyone who can [00:20:00] hold a pen can actually draw a neuro graphica.

[00:20:03] So you don't need to be an artist, you don't need to have experience with drawing every, as I said, if I can do it, everyone can do it, because I'm really not good with drawings as such.

[00:20:21] Autumn Carter: I feel the release in my brain similar to right after having EMDR. Interesting.

[00:20:27] Christine Schickinger: And so what I'm doing here is I am rounding off as much as I can. I'm even including the.

[00:20:41] Here and you notice that I have a hard time speaking because I get so into this process.

[00:20:49] But the thing is also when we draw with clients, we always take them out of that process again, because what this does is it [00:21:00] connects your subconscious with your conscious mind. 'cause when you're drawing, you get into a flow state. And then when we ask questions or what are you seeing on paper? What are you, what are your feelings?

[00:21:13] What are your body sensations? This makes you think again. And so this makes the unconscious conscious,

[00:21:24] Autumn Carter: it makes sense,

[00:21:24] right? For me, it's bringing the peace back into my body. Doing it and then watching it.

[00:21:30] And watching it, it's way more peaceful than doing it right now.

[00:21:33] Christine Schickinger: Yeah.

[00:21:36] Autumn Carter: For me, on my paper, there's so many lines that it's what do with this? Yeah.

[00:21:40] Christine Schickinger: I what, I usually do is I should have, do I should have done that is really limit.

[00:21:42] The amount of seconds of your outburst, because the, shorter it is, the less lines there are on paper. Let's just do this as an example. So I'm rounding off everything [00:22:00] that's there. And once I've done that, and of course as I said, I think I have 10 years of experience now.

[00:22:11] Maybe not 10, maybe eight, but long enough.

[00:22:16] And once I'm, there, I can then have a look. And what I'm looking for is all those lines that end nowhere, that are either not connected to any, to everything else, or that just go anywhere without any connection. So let me show you what I mean. For example, over here this is, a place where.

[00:22:45] It would be an energy flow. It would be halted here because there is no connection. So what I do is I just make this longer and I connect it with everything else here. [00:23:00] And again, if there are crossings that appear on paper, I round them off.

[00:23:08] Autumn Carter: So it's like connecting all the thought processes that are going

[00:23:12] Christine Schickinger: exactly.

[00:23:13] Autumn Carter: Okay.

[00:23:14] Christine Schickinger: Connecting all the thought processes, making sure that the energy can flow through my topic without any constraints. So the official name is lifting constraints of this algorithm,

[00:23:32] and I could even continue this one a bit more. So that those are going somewhere and my brain now knows this is it's, an extract from something. So it's not the entire picture. It's just part of a picture. This also looks like has to go here and this is what we want to have. That was

[00:23:58] Autumn Carter: bothering me that was and wasn't [00:24:00] connected.

[00:24:00] Christine Schickinger: Yeah.

[00:24:02] Autumn Carter: That's great. That feels like a thought. That's not fully,

[00:24:02] Christine Schickinger: yeah. Isn't it funny 'cause it's just lines on paper.

[00:24:05] Autumn Carter: Yeah.

[00:24:06] Christine Schickinger: And then you just add

[00:24:07] Autumn Carter: color for fun later on.

[00:24:09] Christine Schickinger: Yes. There is a, purpose for the colors as well. Oh. And we'll do that in a bit. So what we've done so far is we have connected everything and making sure that everything is connected and is in flow.

[00:24:21] And once I have that feeling, when I look at it. There is no more corner, nothing that I need to round off, then I would start to look for larger entities in there. So larger shapes. And the shapes, as I said, are really basic. And for this algorithm, we only work with circles because circles are the utmost.

[00:24:48] Sign of harmony. And so what I'm doing here is I look for anything that looks like a circle, even if it's just a part [00:25:00] of a segment of a circle. And I,

[00:25:01] I, round them off. So I include those. Oh, so this looked like a shape of a circle. I put it in, complimenting what's there, making sure that I round everything off. Every new crossing is rounded off now as well. And then there is this shape that looks like a part of a circle as well. And I will put that in there as well.

[00:25:31] So this is my other circle here, and it's not an entire circle, which is okay because it's a smaller scale picture. And again, I'm making sure the circle is part of the entity here by rounding off everything.

[00:25:50] And yeah, I'm looking at every single part where the circle has crossed [00:26:00] a line, making sure I connect them.

[00:26:06] I rounding off everything again, and here I am,

[00:26:06] and now I have these two circles in there and I can ask myself, what are these circles standing for? What do they stand for? So when you think about pickleball. What could the smaller circle stand for? The ball. The ball, okay.

[00:26:27] Autumn Carter: And the bigger one would be me focusing and hitting it.

[00:26:31] Christine Schickinger: Ah, the

[00:26:31] Autumn Carter: paddle.

[00:26:33] Christine Schickinger: Okay.

[00:26:36] And I can even put words on the drawing so that I remember later on. I pick some colors and for the sake of time here, I just pick some highlighters colors. I can use colors too. I can use colored pencils. I can also use highlighters 'cause it's just quicker.

[00:26:56] And I select the color. I do it [00:27:00] intuitively. Usually I'm I, tell myself that I am not good with colors. So sometimes I just pick a random one and then I start coloring. And the way I start coloring is that I look for larger areas on paper, larger areas that I pull together. So for example, in here I see this section that I want to color in.

[00:27:27] So I'm not coloring the individual sections, but I'm making sure that I cross some lines with my colors and I can even go outside of the drawing here. And then

[00:27:37] I put the color in another place as well. And maybe it's then going up there

[00:27:41] and then maybe even here. So I'm doing this pretty intuitively. I'm just making sure that whenever I use a color, I use it in several places, not just [00:28:00] one.

[00:28:00] I can also mix colors. Actually I do mix colors 'cause I wanna make sure that everything is connected again, also from a color perspective. And then I can leave it as that or I can, pull in a third color. Maybe in such a small drawing, I would not use more than three. Again, I'm crossing over here.

[00:28:32] So what I'm doing here is I'm looking for larger areas. Again, as I said, at the beginning, we started with a big outburst, which created a big shape. Big lines on paper then we went into the details and now we are creating larger areas is again,

[00:28:52] okay. And then I could leave it like that. And what the colors do is that we get [00:29:00] emotionally invested. So colors are always bringing up more emotions. So usually at that stage when I ask the client what are you seeing? What are you feeling? What are you experiencing in your body?

[00:29:14] Then there are a lot of emotions coming up. And again, if I don't like the colors as they are, usually yellow is pretty good because it's bright. It's optimistic. And so if I'm not so happy, then I put in more yellow and I always leave some white space as well because I wanna have a space to further develop this topic.

[00:29:39] Oh, now the, sorry, go ahead.

[00:29:42] Autumn Carter: Okay. I was wondering about the white space. That makes sense.

[00:29:43] Christine Schickinger: Yeah. And, what I want to achieve is that, what I'm seeing now though does not remind me of my initial outburst. So what I'm seeing now is a much different, much larger picture there. [00:30:00] And yes, the initial issue, the initial conflict is on paper, but I don't see it anymore.

[00:30:07] If I still see it, then I work more on it and I, change it as much as I need to, that I do no longer perceive the initial outburst. Now, we are getting a bit more spiritual. So what we're doing next is we figure out

[00:30:26] where the universal energy wants to help us with this topic. And universal energy is just thicker lines. So we have one thick line now going through the. Drawing. We could have another one. Maybe I have another line here.

[00:30:54] And the idea is that I wanna have some help [00:31:00] with my topic. I don't wanna be the only one struggling with it or resolving it. And so I let the universe help me with that. And these larger. Streams, almost the larger lines, the thicker lines are the energy from the universe that I want to have in this in this whole topic.

[00:31:24] And this whole what used to be a problem or an issue for me. And then we have two more steps to do. The next step is we figure out what do we want to focus on? This drawing at this moment, usually it's one of the round shapes, one of the circles. So if I would ask you, which one would you wanna put a focus on?

[00:31:56] Autumn Carter: The focusing one. The bigger circle.

[00:31:57] Christine Schickinger: Okay. So I will [00:32:00] make sure that everyone who looks at this drawing sees immediately what you wanna focus on. By just making this line bigger and thicker. And then of course, making sure, again, when I find my

[00:32:14] little pen it's on the ground. That's why making sure again, that I also connect the energy line from the universe. Everything that's there and this focus area. And then if I had more time, I would spend more time probably taking some colored pencils and refining the drawing. Really making, enjoying it and, thinking about the topic some more.

[00:32:49] And making it my own, giving it my, almost like my handwriting.

[00:32:55] And then the very last thing we do is we reflect on [00:33:00] things. So question would be, when you now look at this drawing and you think about the topic, what has changed? And if you would now have a topic 2.0, what would that be?

[00:33:10] Autumn Carter: Feeling more grounded in myself and the knowledge that I have of pickleball, of the classes that I've taken of my ability to change what I'm doing on the fly.

[00:33:23] Christine Schickinger: Yeah. And so whenever you're going to the court, now you, or to the playground, you can. Imagine this drawing. And if it was your drawing.

[00:33:38] So usually graphica, we are drawing it for ourselves because then the process is even more intense. And as I have my drawings here behind me, I have some drawings in front of me as well. So every topic that I worked on that is really important for me, I have those drawings around me for a certain period of time, maybe even as a [00:34:00] screensaver on my mobile phone.

[00:34:02] So that whenever I would. Think back to that, topic, to the issue that I've been drawing on. I can have a look at the paper and graphica. The result is always a harmonious, positive result, so nothing of the initial conflict is left on here. This is now the conflict resolved. And I have, a proof of it.

[00:34:28] My brain sees it and says yeah, there is a resolution and it's no longer there. And this is what makes it so powerful, I think.

[00:34:39] Autumn Carter: I will be going back through and doing it. So Cool. I totally set you on a really good rabbit trail. Tell us more about what you do. Sure. Tell us about your podcast. Just tell us a little bit more to finish us off.

[00:34:49] Christine Schickinger: Sure. Yeah, let's make it short. So what, I do is I, have a podcast as well, and my podcast is called Lead yourself and others. And yes, because I have a corporate background. I do talk about leadership, but I [00:35:00] talk more about self-leadership

[00:35:03] the interesting thing is as we said before, I also work with animals, or let me rephrase that. I work with animals and their humans, or humans and their animals because in there as well, I'm more working with the human than the animal because I want to enable the human to have the opportunity, the possibility to.

[00:35:18] Be not non reactive, but be responsive when they work with their animals and when they are with their animals. And what I learned from working with animals can be applied to everything. It can be applied to how to work with teams, how to work with peers at work, how to work with my relatives, with my family, with my kids.

[00:35:43] Because at the end of the day, the way we interact and the way we build relationships is really the same. We need to be present. To be able to listen, to be able to understand the other person or the other [00:36:00] animal or anything around us. We need to be here. We need to be there. And, to me it's such a difference.

[00:36:07] I, was going through a burnout in 2015 and at that time I always felt I was not in the right place at the right time and this was awful. And now I work towards. If I want I can get totally present in my body in the moment. And this is something that not a lot of people are able to do at this, stage.

[00:36:28] And this is really the foundation of what I'm doing. So that's why neuro positive, this framework that I have developed is starting with presence. How, what is it and how do I get there? And it's much easier than people would think. So it's literally, yeah, focusing on your body more or less.

[00:36:50] And you probably know it better than me. And then the next thing that I figured out from everything I do is that it's so helpful when we take different perspectives. [00:37:00] Because we tell ourselves a story. As you also said before mentor of mine, Owen Fitzpatrick even says, we sell ourselves the stories and we want to believe them.

[00:37:13] And we literally, as soon as we turn around and take a different perspective, things look so different and it's so much easier to deal with them I talk a lot about purpose as well, because I feel that goal setting is great, but also knowing what to do while you're doing it on a daily basis is really helpful.

[00:37:35] And then progress because yeah I'm not, I'm definitely not about. High achiever and you need to make, I dunno, how much money in the next year, but still, I always want to develop, I want to always learn. I want to always stay [00:38:00] curious, and I want that for my clients as well because I think curiosity is so important.

[00:38:05] And it's so helpful as well. So this is, my approach where when I work with clients, I usually work one-to-one, other than with Neuro Graphica. I have courses. But with clients so far, I prefer to work one-to-one because then I say you come to me, you tell me what your issue is, and I have my backpack of tools and of techniques and of experience and I just pick out of what's needed at a given time and sometimes.

[00:38:36] It's graphica and sometimes it's the trust technique. That's the work with animals that I'm doing. Sometimes it's positive psychology and there is always something that helps to feel better. 'cause that's my, purpose is to make others feel better. That's really it.

[00:38:59] And where do we find you? [00:39:00] You can find me on my website, which is just my name, Christine minus Schickinger.com, and on social media. Also, just looking for my first name, last name. And yeah, you can find me there. And of course, my podcast is on YouTube and the Graphica intro is on YouTube as well. So if your audience wants to go there, I would be really excited to see them there.

[00:39:30] Autumn Carter: Thank you. This was so cool. I'm going to, as soon as we're done, I'm gonna do my own. I thought of two different people that I'm gonna be sending this to before it even goes live because I'm very excited for them. One is about to start her master's and she is going into psychology. And her undergrad in her ba.

[00:39:53] She's just now graduating with her undergrad was art, and she did art therapy. I'm very [00:40:00] curious, did she learn this? If not, you're gonna love this. I'm gonna send that to her and I forget who the other person is. I'll have to take a second to remember, but I hope other people who were listening to this had the same thing.

[00:40:14] Please share with other people because this is super cool and. The, world is better if you're an animal lover. I feel like if somebody loves animals, then that means they're more open-hearted and I'm gonna connect with them right away. So I love that you work with humans and their animals, and I love that you even just work with humans too, if they.

[00:40:34] Don't have animals if they need more help separate from their animals. And as I said before, I've been on your podcast and I loved it. I love the topics that you choose. I love that I'm in your newsletter. That was the first thing that I did when I learned about her was sign up for her newsletter. It's really cool.

[00:40:50] It's in German and English, which is really fun. My ancestry is German and I know none of it, so it's just fun to see it come across to my [00:41:00] inbox. Thank you for being on. I loved this. And now seeing the artwork behind you, seeing what it means makes it even cooler. Anyway, I just, I really enjoyed this and thanks for letting me hit pause and ask you if we could do this together.

[00:41:18] It was really, cool to do. 

[00:41:18] Christine Schickinger: Thank you so much for having me. It was really great.

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